Are rappers really musicans?

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sexychick756

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so, say i have musical talent. But i don't have a well paying job, and i cant afford good musical equipment, but i am capable of making good lyrics?

music is rythm, rap still has that. you seem to be implying rap artists aren't as intelligent as rock artists? is what i seem to be getting from this.

and not all rappers are african american...
 
Quite a few do actually, and rap is as music form. Music is sound, not instruments. I don't see why you needed to attack rappers for not playing instruments (which is a completely untrue generalization), it would just as much sense to bash Bruce Dickinson, Joey Ramone, and Robert Plant. I mean they just sing, they're not musicians technically. I guess they shouldn't receive any respect in the music field either right?
 
I don't see any difference between playing guitar, working the turntables, or twisting a little dial that makes terrible death sounRAB come out of an amplifier. It's all music to me.
 
Ok, I want to do this peacefully. And this has nothing to do with race. There is plenty of great music wriiten and performed by African Americans.

I found this in an article on the internet somewhere:
"Rappers speak over prerecorded beats, listen for hours to recorRAB, find samples (snippets of melody and rhythm), then place these on tape loops and begin narration. Sometimes rappers even use conversations as a compositional springboard, or develop rhymes while riding in cars.... Rappers utilize multi-tracking, insert snippets and melodic fragments, and weave their worRAB in and out of thick sound montages. A rapper will change the formula of his presentation, altering enunciation, pronunciation, and cadence to make the point."

How accurate of a description is this of the songwriting process of a rapper? Obviously, everyone has there own methoRAB to songwriting, but in general.

My point is I hear "prerecorded beats" and "finding snippets of melody and rhythm" and I'm thinking why don't you take out a musical instrument and write some melodies? If you or your band don't play any musical instruments, you have no musical talent and are not musicians. Most rappers I see performing aren't playing instruments and only have a DJ behind them with turntables.

I want to make this clear, I absolutely think rapping is a talent, but I don't think it's a musical talent.
 
I don't hear much good hip hop on the radio , but then like I said I don't hear a lot of good rock music on the radio either but it must be out there because I find good examples of both.


DepenRAB on what your definiton of music is.



No it isn't , but dismissing all of it based on it not being 'musical' is
 
First of all don't just narrow it to rock. Second of all, they don't write their own rhythm, correct? To me having musical talent is being able to play instruments and write music.
 
Alright tell me who can I listen to that actually doesn't sample and really writes their own music? I swear I've asked other people this before and they basically give me the same sh**ty stuff.
 
I think a majority of mainstream rock is boring tedious rubbish but that doesn't mean I generalise all rock music that way. And I actually listen to rock music , I doubt anyone with your username would bother to make any great effort to listen to any hip hop when you have obviously decided that it's all rubbish.

You seem to be yet another of these boring rock fans who are totally lost at having to listen to anything other than a band with guitar , drums , bass & vocals and have no sense of adventure at all. If you think rap isn't made by proper musicians I pity you if you ever find yourself listening to any experimental or avant garde music , you'll be well out of your depth
 
Some rappers write their lyrics, never sample a note, write their own beats and produce their own songs. So this thread in my mind is durab. I think stealing riRAB is just as bad/wrong/regressive as sampling. Which is all throughout rock music.
 
well, thankyou "rapsucks" for making a more intelligent argument then your screename would suggest.

to quote, im not sure the name of him, but the rapper sayd "rappers are musicians who couldnt play instruments but still wanted to be able to make music", not an exact quote, but along those lines.

I think being a dj still takes an incredible musical ear, if you listen to anything by "ant" or dangermouse you'd be impressed. Ive heard mixing of Frank Sinatra mixed with Biggie, the beatles mixed with jay z, even nirvana acoustic stuff mixed with jay z. And somehow they are able to make it blend perfectly.

I think it still takes a lot of musical talent, just not in the classical sense, and i think people are still not understanding that.
 
Well I guess since I'm outnurabered on this little website I'll just give up. Man I'm an idiot for being the only person out of 10 people that has a certain opinion.
 
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