Are all bike shops and mechanics rip offs kind of like how politicans lie and...

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...tradespeople are always late? When I was just starting to maintain my bike they sold me cotter pins at five dollars a pop and they were too big for my bike. The car shop will sell me the right size ones for 8 dollars for a box of 60. Also when i rang to get a quote they tell me they can't give quotes only estimates. And when i rang about a part I wanted the lady that you have to talk to tells me that will be 20 dollars and i correct her "no its eight dollars as per the last bill i got for the same thing" and she says oh right eight dollars then.
I am trying a new shop tomorrow. I wonder if they will attempt to rip me off too.
Whats your shop like?
 
It's a tough time to start learning about parts, later is better than not at all: The shops you describe are straight up cheats. I've faced the same thing, but have the past experience to be able to judge and tell the con artist to quit lying and show me a parts price list. Granted, there are some parts which are too specialized to get at a hardware store, but after you spend a while putting things together, you learn about many things and whether or not to expect them to come from the hardware store and for cheaper prices at that. If you didn't learn this stuff in school, you're left to learn them the hard way. It was my good fortune to take auto mechanics in highschool- they don't have that class any more- I guess because it makes people able to better care for themselves.

There is a bike shop in Berkeley, California- Mikes' Bikes, where they have maintenance classes. Those guys sell good parts for good bikes. They know the products and help customers get the right fit and service. There is an auto shop in Oakland- Marty's Metrics, and I've gotten excellent and honest work there.Marty even told me what a problem was caused by and let me choose to hire him or fix my own car.enabling me to solve a vibration problem by replacing my own half-shafts and saving $200, and every other shop said it was anything else but that. Marty fixed a tuning problem and charged me $25 FOR about 15 minutes work (his price is $100/hr), but another shop estimated $1600 and wanted to replace a lot of stuff unnecessarily, including an $800 carburetor. I found out about Marty by asking friends where they got good work done. Other friends told me about Mike's Bikes and showed me their bikes they got there. I usually get the right stuff at Pagano's Ace hardware in Alameda, California or Berkeley Ace Hardware. There are so many other hardware stores where they won't take time to show you where things are, let alone advise you, good or bad.

The short answer is, always get referrals before choosig a shop. Honest mechanics are born, not made.
 
Look for dealers in small towns, especially ones that serve farmers (chainsaws, 4 wheelers, etc) as well as bikers. These guys depend upon repeat business because without it, they go broke. In a small town or rural area, bad news travels fast and if they screw one person over, they might as well close their doors because everyone will know about it.

The fellow I deal with operates in a rural town of a couple thousand people. He admits that OEM parts are overpriced and he will try to find aftermarket parts whenever he can. This past spring I wanted him to cut the valve seats on my cylinderhead. It was the busy part of the year, so rather than put me off, he loaned me his cutters. I gave him $20 even though he didn't want anything. Had he done it, it would have probably cost me $300.
 
Not all shops, but maybe most dealers.
I haven't darkened my dealer's door since 1996. They tried to rip me off by charging over 40 bucks for an air filter they didn't install, one that JC Whitney sells for 14.
What work I can't do goes to a trusted independent shop.
 
I get my cotter pins for 30 cents each, why buy 60. But I dont buy them at bike shops. Yes they are expensive because they are more off of parts then selling bikes. I happen to live in an area with about 15 local bike shops, 15% are great, Honest and decent price, 70% are high priced and so so at best and 15% are thieves. You gotta shop around !
 
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