Justoneofus, Thanks for the reply, however, that bit about surgeons deferring surgery has not in my experience, been true. That may be due to the severity of my low back condition, but have had two previous surgical consultations with surgeons, for the C-spine and Lurabar, both of who mapped out a lengthy surgical report along with recommendations, they seemed more than eager to perform surgery. I have also had herniated discs resolves themselves, and would not consider surgery were that the problem. Right now I am kinda of in the dark as to what this latest problem is related to: disc herniation, lurabar strain, or lurabar sprain. There is the outside chance I could have a condition called hydronephrosis of the right kidney, which might also cause the pain. I have done all the bed rest I am going to do this time around. It has been beneficial, and it has decreased the acute phase. But I need to get out tomorrow and exercise, even if it is mild, the longer I lay up the more depressed I get and that also is not good for healing. Maybe you will be right with the next surgeon i see, and he will recommend conservative treatment. More than likely he will order more imaging, for the thoracic spine, to rule out cauda equina. I have put off surgery for 20 years, by swimming, exercise and watching what I do. But now that more surgeons are trained in microsurgery, I may give some serious thoughts to the idea of getting as much of the problem fixed up now, rather than continue to wait and watch an out of control arthritic condition get so bad that I need hardware to brace my spine. I do appreciate your view, but I am getting older and I also have an advanced peripheral neuropathy that is inherited, so before more damage gets done to back nerves and the diseased nerves that they feed into, I need to be open to all options, even if back surgery is the one lowest on my list....Paulo