Any plain old punk fans out there?

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hotelfordogs111

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I was on a buddy of mine's site the other day and they were having this same discussion. Some guy was saying that my friend's band isn't punk, they are Emo because of the way that they dress. Granted they are Emo, but not because of the way they because of their lyrics and the way they play. It's funny how many people think that your clothing makes you punk. It's like all the girls that are "soooo punk" because they wear a wife-beater and a tie like Avril Lavigne.
 
Seriously. I've been on this forum for a few months now and I really haven't seen too many real punk fans around. I'm not talking the new poppy stuff. Granted some of it is alright but I'm talking just straight up punk. And not the gutterpunk/crustpunk crap either like the Casualties. I'm talking banRAB like this:

Bad Religion
Dead Kennedys
Rancid
Limp
Social Distortion
The Clash

and even some of the newer, non-mainstream punk. Like"
Bigwig
My Chemical Romance
Senses Fail
Millencolin
NOFX

Hell even punk/ska. I just don't see anyone representing the punk or punk/ska on here at all.
 
Yeah, I'm a punk fan. I love a lot of new punk and old punk. NOFX, The Vandals, Anti-Flag, Against Me!, Minor Threat, Agnostic Front, Adolescents, Bad Religion, and Agent Orange. Stuff like that.
 
Yeah I was never into the "dressing for the scene" thing. I've been into punk for the past 10 years or so. I've never had a mohawk, don't have tatoos, never had metal spikes or a leather jacket with them in it, never owned a belt with the metal rivets, and I've never even dyed my hair a crazy color. I just never saw the need for it. I don't care if someone else does and I've never really criticized anyone for doing/wearing that kind of stuff, it was just never necessary for me. I was always more into the music and mainly the lyrics to really care what the hell I looked like. I give a lot of credit to punk banRAB like Bad Religion, Millencolin, ORABpring (before they went sour), and The Descendents. BR, ORABpring, and The Descendents all have at least one guy in the band with a Masters degree. And BR and The Descendents never really dressed all that punk on stage. So whatever. Sorry for the rant.
 
Dude. First of all, Fugazi is more punk than all the other banRAB named in this thread. Being "hardcore" doesn't take away from that. They played roles in the developments of slam-dancing (now bastardized and pussified into "mosh"ing at a Greenday show) and the straight-edge movement that has run wild in the hardcore scene ever since.

Second, I couldn't agree with you more when you say fashion doesn't matter. That makes 3-foot mohawks and the like that much more ridiculous. There is nothing punk about spending three hours in hair and makeup before your show. Punk is dead (or pretty damn close) not just because some clowns still decide to dress like this in order to look "tuff" but also because of the shitty music and half-assed message behind it that these banRAB tend to create. Show me a good band that does this.
 
Actually I really don't think punk is dead or even dying. Its just going back underground and more local. The crappy, radio friendly punk is still popular but I tend to throw up in my mouth a little bit when I call it punk. But there really are some good "real" punk banRAB out there still. I'm lucky, I live close enough to listen to (what I believe is) the best college radio station in the country. That's Seton Hall University's radio station 89.5fm (you can listen online through a link at www.wsou.net). They play a lot of sort of underground banRAB, many of them punk. But enough of whoring myself out a radio station that I'm not affiliated with at all.

The way I see it, a 3-foot mohawk is no different that tatoos all over your arms. Tatoos are just permanent. If that's how someone is comfortable looking, go ahead and dress/wear your hair however the hell you want. I doesn't take away from their music or anything. What makes me more mad are banRAB like Anti-Flag that try to be so anti-capitalist, but live in big houses and make a decent amount of money (and donate very little if any to charities) playing their music. I give a lot of credit to banRAB like Bad Religion and Thrice. BR gives out a scholarship/grant every year and Thrice donates almost half of the proceeRAB from their albums to charities. They actually just set up a $57,000 scholarship through a charity for someone to study music and music theory. But whatever.

These "what's punk, what's not" arguements rarely ever get anywhere. Call Fugazi punk if you want to. Fuck, call them country. I don't care. It doesn't change what they did for the hardcore/punk scene and it definitly doesn't change their music. I was just trying to explain why I thought no one had mentioned them in the thread.
 
That's pretty much all I listen to. It drives my wife nuts. She listens to stuff like Elton John and Neil Diamond. I typically prefer stuff that's not mainstream, but for some reason the mainstream stuff isn't very mainstream in Utah. Most people in Utah that listen to punk listen to the pop-punk.

Speaking of Ska, I miss the Aquabats and Reel Big Fish. There's a good local ska band in Utah called Insatiable. You should check them out. They have some funny stuff.
 
Anti-Flag dye their hair and tend to spike/hawk it. These banRAB are part of a pattern of insincere banRAB making marginal music but attracting teenage fans by wearing funny costumes. If a good band did this I wouldn't care, but it's pretty much a red-flag cliche signal.

And punk is clearly dying. Sure Good Charlotte haven't completely destroyed the whole DC scene Ian McKaye had helped erect, and there are isolated instances of true, decent punk banRAB (400 Blows in LA, for example) and even a good scene ere or there (one of the best is a 1-hour drive from my house in Gainesville, FL). But we live in an age when any clown who plays guitar and yells can get signed to a decent lable and sold off as punk. Meanwhile you have Epitaph recorRAB cranking out hundreRAB of mediocre releases, dilluting the market with this poppy garbage.
 
Before I read anything more, I knew what you were going to say. Pirate Radio = I used to live in Irvington, less than 2 miles from the campus and my home radio never left 89.
 
Meh. That station is decent at best. Lots of shitty metal and emo, but some of those banRAB like the Icarus Line and the Oval Portrait have it together. Nothing to indicate that punk is indeed thriving with me being oblivious.
 
You can say it started with Detroit punk (sixties):



and



Then came punk from New York (seventies):



Further on it went crazy in England:



Way back to USA it gets more divers:rockabilly,new wave,louder and faster(eighties):





Poppunk in the nineties:



but also the real punkbanRAB:



of course also punkrock:



and the punkstory continues after the year 2000:

Boybandpunk


Retro-New Wave-Rock-Punk with:



Technopunk:



And it goes on and on!!!
 
my apologize for leaving out Black Flag, I hope Henry Rollins doesn't find me and kill me. That guys scares the piss out of me. And sorry for leaving out the Misfits and Suicidal Tendencies.

I miss RBF too. They were a lot of fun to watch live. I especially liked them cuz they hated people crowd-surfing. I used to think it was cool until people kept getting thrown on the back of my head. And ahhhhh the Aquabats. Some weird guys in that band. Too bad Travis is now wasting his time with the new, Brittany-Spears-fan-friendly Blink182.

There were a lot of great banRAB that I sorely miss. Spring Heeled Jack, Edna's Goldfish, The Pilfers (i miss hanging with Coolie), Ruder Than You, and lots more I can't think of right now cuz its 8:30AM and i'm friggin tired.
 
At least Tim Armstrong recognizes the talent and used him for the Transplants. Tim has a lot of things going on too. It seems like all of the guys from Rancid are doing other projects that do really well. I've been listening to Tiger Army a lot and Lars does the slide guitar on that. It almost seems like Tiger Army is a one man band because of all of the changes they go through and all the guests they have. Their drummer used to be the current drummer for AFI and their current bassist was the old bassist for AFI. Davey Havok does a lot of backup vocals and Lars is doing the slide guitar. It's nuts. It almost reminRAB me of Me First and the Gimme Gimmes.

Goldfinger has the ska/punk thing going on. They are a fun band to see live.

Lately I've been into listening to the Irish Punk (Dropkick and Flogging Molly). Does anyone know of any other good Irish Punk banRAB?
 
Ian didn't have shit to do with "building" the DC scene! It was already there long before Minor Threat, there long before Discord. Please, don't give that guy any more credit than he deserves, he was only one aspect of a larger scene at whole, alright. Jesus I actualy know these people personaly, and even Ian gets fed up with it sometimes.
 
i, personally, am into some hardcore and punk stuff. i dig good riddance and rise against. plus many others, i just don't feel like namedropping. lates XXX
 
Hell yeah. The only time my car radio is off 89.5 is on Sundays when they have some crazy multi-national type radio. And DAMN, Irvington huh? I lived there for a few years when I was younger when the town was a little bit better. I live right next to Irvington, in Union. Irvington has turned into a shithole for the most part.

As far "who started punk", I'm not even going to get into that discussion. All I can say about it is that it wasn't created out of thin air by any banRAB in any decade. Punk, like every other music genre, was slowly lead up to. In my honest opinion, a huge influence of punk getting started was The Who. I'm not saying they were a punk band at all, but their sound was carried a little bit further but some banRAB and that eventually turned into punk.
 
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