Android to Nokia: "come on baby, just let me put my software in your hardware"

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Totally agree! I am completely sick of what is considered a smartphone or not.



No matter who you talk to the word "smartphone" is completely subjective that only leads to arguments which nobody ends up agreeing upon anyway... :doh:
 
+1 - Some people just refuse to let go. Worst yet, they bash other devices/OS's yet have barely ever used them for any extended period of time. Sad (for them) really.
 
I am sorry but I like nokia because they are good at the industrial design of "phones"; not manufacturing another mobile advertising slab that meets the minimum software requirements for googles "smart"phone OS. That means good RF, good battery life, sexy personal accessory design and I dont mind that they let you do whatever you want with "your" hardware either.
 
Yup it is. And Android is going gangbusters globally. And they're going to do better than Symbian, because it allows local vendors to regionalize the OS deeper than any platform can.



I really wonder how S60 does the things I want. It certainly doesn't.



While the chance of a certain Android handset to be upgraded later to a new OS is uncertain, it is pretty certain that with Symbian handsets they don't upgrade. Your S60 V5 isn't going to have ^3 and your ^3 isn't going to have Meego or ^4.

I will take my chances with uncertainty of Do---nearly every Android I owned experienced at least one big upgrade---than the certainty of Doesn't.
 
You had me at "certainly".

I want an OS that changes screen faster than my inpatient finger. So that I don't keep hitting the wrong button when the screen changes just when I'm touching it the third time because I don't know whether the OS didn't notice my touch or is just being slow.

And really, the G1 has gone through at least four major OS updates since the n97 was released, and it is still able to keep up with the current OS version. While the n97 got four minor firmware updates where the only significant improvement was a better use of its teeny-weeny memory.

I understand the Europeans resistance to another US OS invasion, but the Android growth in the last two years reminds me of an old saying "If the person raping you completely overwhelms you physically, then relax and enjoy it."

Sadly guys, Nokia was like the poor tourists in that tsunami in Thailand. When the ocean water receded for the incoming Android tsunami, Nokia went deeper in because they had no clue.
 
Sorry, what stake do you have in Android? You seem to be some rogue vigilant who is championing some imaginary "cause". I know people who get cheques cut from Google and don't ride jock like you're doing.

I don't care if Android goes global and gets 90 percent market-share. I don't care if RIM or Apple do. I'll still use what suits me.


Who on earth mentioned S60? It's officially EOL'd and has no relevance. If it doesn't suit you - woah, don't use it. I never told you to but you sure seem to be trying to get people to get on board with Android.
 
I keep noticing that OVI is a terrible store hard to use hard to find things and nowhere near as useful as Android or Apple app stores. there aren't nearly as many useful apps there. Nokia is way way behind in the store race and it would be a miracle if they could catch up without throwing a hail mary pass like moving to palm windows or android.
 
And I am going to ask you, what stake do you have on Symbian? All I did was to state the market facts and realities. Which is, Nokia and Symbian is now siege mode, not just in the US, but globally.
 
I have no stake in Symbian. I'm not trying to get people to stick with Symbian or any platform. I'm simply providing a real argument to your ridiculously shifted words.

You didn't merely state market facts or realities. Anybody who reads any posts you've made in these threads can clearly see you have some ambiguous reason for blowing the trumpet. Just own up to it.
 
I have a mixed feeling about it.
I have nexus one (Android) and it's really great, but I really want other Android phones are not locked down to the carrier. I wanted another Android phone, but I really hate how locked down with carrier's branding (see what is happening on G2).
 
Oh and some how you're not? Smell the air buddy, the market facts are there. Just pains you to live up to it.

I find it most funny that for you being an Android OEM somehow reduces Nokia to a dumb manufacturer. Well it already is- it really lacks what it takes to compete against Apple, Google and Microsoft in the long run as long as software, not hardware design, becomes the defining quality of a smartphone.

Tell that to HTC which does a great job on differentiating their phones and doubling their profits year on year while Nokia's stock stumbles on the single digits.

Just remember, Nokia has a real financial obligation to its stock holders not the fanboys.

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I got an unlocked Samsung Galaxy S and HTC Desire. Bought them in Asian trips.

The situation you experience is the American situation. Unfortunately the Land of the Free is not the Land of the Free Mobile.

In other countries, its very easy to pick up a top end unlocked smartphone of any OS, whether its Android, Symbian, Windows Phone or Blackberry, right over a store counter of a tech mall. To be used with any SIM.





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As a long time Nokia fan (even after a brief stint with the 3GS I boought the N97 after the first FW update. The phone was riddled with dumb issues like flash fogging, sluggishness abounded and I too defended Nokia like OddSocks completly ignorant to the limtations of the device. It was a "gwat dam" Nokia and that was enough.

,,,,Until I played with a Sprint Android Based OS for 5 minutes...Seeing that Samsung and Sony abandoned Nokia's OS in favor of Android I decoded nokia was going to end up on a hardware island. Everyone knows or should know hardware mean nothing without applications. OVI is pitiful compared to AppBrain and the numerous other marketplaces. The device cne be customized to the Kernel level if one wants.,

By anyone... The Support is second to none at XDA. The apps are plentiful, cheap and refundable. The N8 looked great on paper but all I see them touting is a 12MP camera no one needs for a snapshot phone camera (unless they are shooting for a Billboard company)

Then given the unfinished releases of the N95-1 and the even worse N97 along with nthe abandonment of two of the largest cellphone makers in the world and 5 million Samsung Gs sold..I decided I had better get on board a bus that was going forward rather than reverse. Apple has competition and it isn't from the Finns
 
I love how you keep falling back on the "market facts" argument. I never once refuted your market numbers.

If you want to get simple, every post you make can be summed up with "Android is THE BEST BAR NONE. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO USE IT BECAUSE I DO AND IT IS SO POPULAR" while every post I make can be summed up with "I use what WORKS FOR ME STOP TRYING TO CONVERT ME AND OTHERS".

Anybody who has seen you post, can attest to this and anybody who has seen me respond to you, can attest to this. Frankly, it's becoming tiring the amount of trolling you seem to be doing to get a response from people. I'm just about ready to ignore you since you seem unable to hold a proper discussion.
 
Which is true. If you really want "freedom" for your mobile, you have to bite it, get a foreign unlocked phone. I got phones here where I can easily remove the SIM of one carrier to another if I am not happy. BTW, smartphones for Latin America and Australia do use the same 850 band as AT&T. But you don't get the warranty and they may switch you to a smartphone contract.

The lock in system, you buy a contract phone, you are locked in for two years, is inherently uncompetitive because it does not force carriers to improve their act. Three years of iPhone dominance, and has AT&T improved any better than its competitors? There is a survey that suggests at least 22% of iPhone users in AT&T may jump ship to Verizon if there is a Verizon iPhone. That is not what you call happy customers.

But whether Android, iPhone, Windows Phone, no OS platform can solve the messed up situation on the US telecom industry. (Don't believe the crap that iPhone Messianists tells you that Steve Jobs can save you from the tyranny of the US carriers). It takes direct legislation---which is what is actually done in many countries---to create a mobile telecom system that is equitably competitive. Carriers in different countries put the ones in the US to shame and one of the reasons for that is pure competition from prepaid unlocked phones. If your phone is unlocked, you don't like your carrier service, switching to a new carrier is only the cost of a new SIM, not a phone.
 
I agree, I am originally from Sweden and I visited there in July which is where I used the Xperia mini and my son used my N86. In Sweden there I believe 5 operators and they all use the same system so there is more of a competition plus a large market for second hand phones. Same with cable TV, I can only choose Comcast where I live now, I stayed at a friend's house in Sweden and they had at least 3 companies to choose from. He had 75-100 Mbps internet for 40 dollars a months, I pay 59 for my Comcast which is probably close to 10 on a good day. :) It's time to move back. :)
 
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