Amazing speech by NY senator on gay marriage

It's sad that our society is so unable to operate under our own rules.

Look at the civil rights movement.

One of the key arguments and actually the primary one that MLK made in his "Letter from a Birmingham Jail" was that all men are created equal under God.

That was the basis of his argument for blacks having equality and civil rights.

That's disgusting. He couldn't appeal to the logic of the constitution, to the basic premise of equality and fairness that people fought and died for to create this country. Instead, he was forced to appeal to the mass's sense of religious belief, because people in this country place their religious convictions far above their constitution and general spirit of their government and nation.

Un-be-fucking-lievable.
 
It's like everything - a mixture of genetic predisposition and environmental exposure

But really.. who gives a fuck? If they're consenting adults, I don't see why ANYBODY should care.
 
You keep assigning a value to what I'm saying.

I'm not assigning a positive or negative value to your belief that gay marriage is wrong.

I'm asserting that you are subverting the constitution with your own feelings, which is a fact.
 
Too late.

Government wrongly became involved in "marriage."

If you understand the separation of church and state in this country, you need to realize that governmental definition of marriage MUST be completely separate from the Church's definition of "Marriage."

To think anything otherwise is a blatant disregard for equality as I've said multiple times.

Think of it this way:

In some arab countries, the use of the burka is still mandatory, not because of Islamic religion, but because of the cultural roots of nomadic tribes that enforced the idea of male dominance wrongly under the authority of Islam. The burka and the idea of shielding yourself is no more Islamic than the idea of terrorism.

Clinging to a definition of marriage established in times when people with autism were seen as "slow," and when blacks were seen as inhuman savages is equal to clinging to the idea that a woman should be fully covered by a burka.

It's not consciously permissible and it's pretty much abhorrent to think that somehow because government and society used to view something one way that now to repair it we must wait for government to completely remove itself from the practice.

No, that's wrong. Go back to the white room example. In no situation would you vote to make some of the individuals unable to receive benefits. The inclusion of the stipulations you make about the definition of marriage as an archaic cultural tradition would in no way affect your decision.

If it would, then you do not believe in equality or fairness as an overarching principle, and should probably move to Iran where your feelings are more homogeneous with the population.
 
The fact is that many people think twice about these things, i'm not going to even get into all of the things you arent considering and the differences with the example youre using. Stick to the subject.

Making gay marriage legal will imply that heterosexual and homosexual relationships are the same thing. Society would begin to accept homosexuality as being normal. Atleast marriage helps guide people in the right direction, there is a reason its unique to a man and woman, its based on our roles in nature. Is it a problem that I believe marriage shouldnt be redefined? This doesnt gay people cant have sex.
 
AINT NO NEGROIRAB IN NATURE INTERACTIN WITH THE WHITE MAN
AINT NO NEGROIRAB MENTIONED IN THE CONSTITUTION
AINT NO NEGROID EQUALITY IN MY TRADITION
FUCKIN HANG ALL NEGROIRAB GOOD FOR NOTHIN COONS
 
Making gay marriage legal will only confuse kiRAB/teens while growing up. theyll start experimenting with their male frienRAB because society says its "okay"

Keeping marriage between man and a woman guides people in the right direction.

And yeah, I dont think gay sex is natural.
 
There are several animal species that have gay sex.
there are very few animal species that raise young 1male 1female.
where are you going with this nature argument?
if anything...the "nature" observation shows how marriage in general is at odRAB with evolution
 
It's not a form of hate.

It's a blatant disregard for equality and the spirit of the constitution.
 
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