I don't disagree with everything that is being said and I wonder sometimes what the hell i'm doing on the road in Arizona but there are some area's of the country that aren't that bad. There is a family that lives across the street from me that has 2 boys that have been riding dirt bikes since they were four and they are now around the same age as the boy in question. I think they could handle a Sportster with no problems what so ever
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Am I Being A Douchebag?
- Thread starter Manda Moo
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curious rose
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You seem focused on the kids infractions and are forgetting that letting him commit those infractions, actually encouraging him to commit those infractions, is in deed a crime by the parents. It isn't a minor traffic violation. It's called child endangerment and they could get locked up for anywhere from 1-20 years for it.
"Child endangerment is a criminal offense that involves the subjection of minor children to inappropriate or dangerous situations. The purpose of child endangerment laws is to keep children from witnessing illegal activity, and to protect them from situations in which they might get hurt."
The what ifs and speculation of what might happen only accentuate what is/did happen. Not only did the kid break several laws, but the parents not only allowed it to happen, they were the instigators. You can not possibly argue that riding a motorcycle on a 500 mile trip without a license or insurance, and in his case, on a bike with more than double the allowable cc's permitted for a kid of his age is somehow not illegal or a situation where he can't get hurt. It is illegal and he could get hurt and the parents are guilty of child endangerment. Add to it that if they do get pulled over and cited, the kid won't be able to get his license till he's a lot older, they can kiss their insurance good bye, will only qualify for high risk, will get at least fined, maybe locked up, probably have to attend parenting classes, and probably will have their bikes confiscated. The kid might not face a felony, but the parents sure as heck care unless you consider something with a potential 20 year sentence a minor traffic violation.
"Child endangerment is a criminal offense that involves the subjection of minor children to inappropriate or dangerous situations. The purpose of child endangerment laws is to keep children from witnessing illegal activity, and to protect them from situations in which they might get hurt."
The what ifs and speculation of what might happen only accentuate what is/did happen. Not only did the kid break several laws, but the parents not only allowed it to happen, they were the instigators. You can not possibly argue that riding a motorcycle on a 500 mile trip without a license or insurance, and in his case, on a bike with more than double the allowable cc's permitted for a kid of his age is somehow not illegal or a situation where he can't get hurt. It is illegal and he could get hurt and the parents are guilty of child endangerment. Add to it that if they do get pulled over and cited, the kid won't be able to get his license till he's a lot older, they can kiss their insurance good bye, will only qualify for high risk, will get at least fined, maybe locked up, probably have to attend parenting classes, and probably will have their bikes confiscated. The kid might not face a felony, but the parents sure as heck care unless you consider something with a potential 20 year sentence a minor traffic violation.
No. You don't get it.
I was responding to a post that someone else made that the parents actions were "contributing to the delinquency of a minor".
That is was I was disagreeing with. I'm not going to get drawn into an argument about child endangerment or even whether or not is was a bad idea.
I was responding to a post that someone else made that the parents actions were "contributing to the delinquency of a minor".
That is was I was disagreeing with. I'm not going to get drawn into an argument about child endangerment or even whether or not is was a bad idea.
Oh, I get it alright. Your the one that doesn't seem to get it. You don't have to encourage the kid to commit a felony or something to be guilty of child endangerment or abuse. Let me give you another example. Is it a felony to be drunk? Buy a 15 year old a 6 pack or a fifth and see what they charge you with if he gets caught with it.
Way too deep guys,...... Hello?
Dude just asked if he was being a dick, for declining to "go with".
It's none of his, nor our business how this dude raises his child. He's likely real good on two wheels or the dad wouldn't consider taking him. Not our call to make. We never met him or the kid. We can not evaluate them based on this minimal information we have. We have no right to, anyway.
We can only "make up shit" so's we can argue non factual statements.
It's all moot. The guy would be wise to not accompany this family, and every single poster on this thread AGREED with that.
So why the debate???????
Again, think about the parents that don't give time to their children, and let the children find "family" with gangs,...... and shoot up our streets.
Dude just asked if he was being a dick, for declining to "go with".
It's none of his, nor our business how this dude raises his child. He's likely real good on two wheels or the dad wouldn't consider taking him. Not our call to make. We never met him or the kid. We can not evaluate them based on this minimal information we have. We have no right to, anyway.
We can only "make up shit" so's we can argue non factual statements.
It's all moot. The guy would be wise to not accompany this family, and every single poster on this thread AGREED with that.
So why the debate???????
Again, think about the parents that don't give time to their children, and let the children find "family" with gangs,...... and shoot up our streets.
Kelly Belly! :DD
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Chill a bit, dude.
My comment was in response to the suggestion that allowing the kid to drive without a license was "contributing to the delinquency of a minor". I'm not getting into a internet pi**ing match about whether or not this rises to the level of child endangerment.
I'm not advocating for or against the parents or whether or not this was a good idea.
Whatever this was, it wasn't "contributing to the delinquency of a minor."
My comment was in response to the suggestion that allowing the kid to drive without a license was "contributing to the delinquency of a minor". I'm not getting into a internet pi**ing match about whether or not this rises to the level of child endangerment.
I'm not advocating for or against the parents or whether or not this was a good idea.
Whatever this was, it wasn't "contributing to the delinquency of a minor."
Nami Cullen
New member
It is my business if someone without license and insurance is on the road with my family and I.
No operators license is a an offense that can receive jail time. Driving knowingly without insurance is equally bad.
No operators license is a an offense that can receive jail time. Driving knowingly without insurance is equally bad.
Well then,...... you'd love Arizona, with all the illegals that drive.
Actually, many states have them. You already ARE surrounded by non licensed non insured drivers.
Guess what? None of those unlicensed, uninsured illegals have a watchdog critiquing there every move while teaching them proper riding technique.
They are not accompanied by a teacher with hawkeye vigilance of them.
I know, I know, better off turning your kids loose with the street gangs.
They know all about child raising.
I don't think so. Not very much, if any. Perhaps for your 10th offense?
Actually, many states have them. You already ARE surrounded by non licensed non insured drivers.
Guess what? None of those unlicensed, uninsured illegals have a watchdog critiquing there every move while teaching them proper riding technique.
They are not accompanied by a teacher with hawkeye vigilance of them.
I know, I know, better off turning your kids loose with the street gangs.
They know all about child raising.
I don't think so. Not very much, if any. Perhaps for your 10th offense?
Nouvelle Lune
New member
Come to Arizona. The road is full of people that don't have a license or if they do it's fake...