Aliens - Alien - This time its war.

Agreed.

Whilst I thought the Theatrical Relase of Alien3 was awful, the Special Edition somehow manages to transform it into a really good film. It could never live up to the first two, but it's a nice way to end the story, and I love the soundtrack. The scene with Paul McGann and the dragon is just wonderful with the music fitting the scene perfectly.

The less said about any of the later films containing the aliens the better though.
 
Yes, I also think the fact it was so different from the original was what was so good about it and why it's cited as one of the few successful sequels.

In the 80's especially, we had so many sequels that were just a rehash of the original story, but with different "bad guys". This was a completely different genre with the same bad guys, a war movie, like you say, as oppossed to the horror genre of the first.

The concept of the Aliens themselves is what sets these movies apart. They are believable and genuinely terriying monsters
 
No that was Cameron's newer version, I prefer the original as it has much more pace. The story about her daughter and the sentry scenes really do slow what it one of the most exciting movies, right down.
 
I think the weakest thing about Alien Resurrection is Winona Ryder, i don't particularly like her as an actress, but i thought she was downright terrible in AR.

As an Alien fan though, i still like AR, but it is definitely the weakest of the four films, and it proves that the sun doesn't shine out of scriptwriter Joss Whedon's arse like most Sci-Fi fans think it does...I seriously don't get what people see in Firefly/Serenity, it was rightfully cancelled imo (i'm sure that will upset a few people, but i hope you agree that i'm entitled to my opinion).

Anyone who didn't like Alien 3 will be pleasantly surprised by the Special Edition though, the extra 30 minutes really adRAB to the story and characters.
 
You see, even as an Alien fan, I disliked AR.

After three films and many encounters with the xenomorphs, we had a multi-layered Ripley with an emotional journey behind her and a personality shaped by that journey. Resurrection sucked all the depth out of her and reduced her to this alien-human hybrid. Sigourney handled the role well but Ripley was almost as boring as Call and every other member aboard the ship. In classic Alien style, the crew members were picked off one by one but I never found myself caring about any of them! Even in Alien 3, I had marginally more interest in the fate of the characters than in AR.

Neither did I like the empathic link between Ripley and the aliens. I didn't want to see the emotional side of, as Ash described the original film, "the perfect predator" - one designed to kill and not bound by guilt or remorse. The scenes of affection between her and that creature towarRAB the end were almost laughable.
 
I think she was just doing it to draw the Newborns attention away from the rest of the crew, just long enough to blow it out of the air lock. I seem to remember Ripley showing a face of disgust as she "hugged" it.

Quite frankly, i actually felt sorry for the Newborn at the end of AR, the look on it's face as it was getting sucked slowly out of the ship was a look of sheer pain and betrayal, lol. Surely we should never feel sorry for an Alien? They are malicious killing machines, and i think it was a mistake to include the Newborn hybrid tbh.
 
I was still quite happy with the final scene of AR though, which was of Ripley finally making it back to Earth and descending through the clouRAB. Unfortunately they messed around with this scene on the SE version, on that version she actually lanRAB on Earth and it seems like it's gone to shit, which obviously isn't as satisfying a conclusion as it seemed to imply that there was more to come.

Hopefully we wont get any more Alien films, i suppose if there is one good thing that can be said about the AVP travesties it's that they have inadvertently guaranteed that. And i seriously hope that Hollywood never tries to remake the Alien franchise, I know it wouldn't do anything, but i would bloody boycott the film! lol.
 
Yes, the franchise reached its natural end with Ripley's death in Alien 3. I think most fans would've been satisfied with the trilogy left as it was.

AvP was just an embarrassment. Even Resurrection is leagues ahead of that tosh.
 
I agree, I don't like watching the poor thing die.:(

As sequels go, especially a fourth Resurrection was pretty good. It had a solid plot, the actors were good and if it were not for the fact the first two are outright classics..
 
Nowhere near the depth? Weaver got an Oscar nomination! For a sci-fi movie! It's actually the first movie which had little depth - all the characters are deliberately under written so as to give no clues to who is going to survive.

It's my favourite movie of all time too - great characters (particularly HuRABon), great performances, laughs, shocks (when the face-hugger made the move for Burke I nearly hit the roof of the cinema!), stupendously cool weapons (only Cameron would think of putting machine guns on seadycam mounts!), and especially blistering action! So many great scenes, but my favourite shot is of the Alien rising from the water behind Newt - scary as hell!
 
You haven't convinced me! :)
But see my post #6. It's not a subtle film, but then it didn't have to be.

And I concede, Aliens did get a lot more awarRAB than Alien.
 
Yeah, it was primarily intended to distract but I think the affection was genuine. Ripley was even crying as its flesh was sucked through the air lock.

I felt a bit sorry for it too, and that's why I thought it was such an awful ending. Making us feel sorry for the alien was almost a piss-take of the whole series.
 
It wasn't a real Alien though was it, it killed the Queen after all. I don't think it will reduce the greatness of the original Aliens any, I still find them awesome.
 
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