A Liberals wett dream for Crime and Punishment ...

This thread is about their criminal justice system. They beat us on the important statistics by far, and yet your post ridicules their system. I think that is a really ignorant thing to do, and you have yet to convince me otherwise. I mean do you have any actual ground to stand here, or do you think maybe you should just admit that making fun of a system that is far superior to our own was perhaps kind of a silly thing to do.
 
The difference in population and demographics definitely has nothing at all to do with the difference in crime rate between Norway and the US. It's all because their justice system is more enlightened than ours.
 
Apparently.

I saw this article on Fox and I blew a gasket. Norway operates perfectly fine. They actually focus on rehabilitation. Where we just lock them up, and let them get raped and killed in prison.

I'm not sure Breivik can be rehabiliated. But the fact of the matter is their penal system works. Let them figure it out. Why should a bunch of ignorant Americans criticize their systems of punishment.
 
It's hard to know how much of a factor that plays into it, obviously it does but it's difficult to determine how much. But to make fun of their system when it's clearly working better than ours is just ridiculous. How is this even an argument?

It's like someone in a beat up Dodge Neon pulling up next to a new Porsche 911 Turbo and remarking, "what a piece of shit car you have there faggot, should have got a rusty Neon like me."
 
I think they should model their system like the US USED to have, before the failed experiment called "Liberalism" took root and fucked the whole thing up.

Instead, because of Liberals, our system has become one of no rehabilitation, early release, and making excuses for murderers, rapists, etc because of their childhood or even the fact that their parents fed them Peanut butter and they didn't like that.

I don't give a fuck if it's "my business" or not, I have an opinion and I'm expressing it. Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you on the ass/face on your way out.
 
Justice is a universal concept. I don't think the people talking about a 21-year sentence for a guy who murdered nearly 100 people including women and children being a travesty of justice are particularly concerned with any abstract pragmatic arguments.

Also, it's pretty hard to think of a reason why giving such a man a life sentence would have a detrimental effect on anything in Norway.
 
No.


How the hell can you even fool yourself into thinking that your view of 21 years being served concurrently for murder is not based on blatantly a US-centric viewpoint.......
 
And I would never criticize someone for buying a Porsche 911 Turbo, because it's an excellent car. I might think they were a fool if they bought an expensive car that sucked, and I might have a good point regardless of the fact that I drive a 15-year-old Subaru.
 
I just find it remarkably ignorant to be an American and talk shit about the system in Norway that works much better than your own. It's not abstract at all, it's more like "here is data that shows their system works better, so shut the fuck up and stop telling them how they should do it, they don't want to do things like we do in Texas and thank God because their system works a lot better."
 
Once again, you can't make the comparison in those terms, because there are many other variables that you have to ignore in order to claim that some magical, heretofore-unexplained difference in the wisdom of Norway's criminal justice system versus that of the US is even a substantial factor in the difference between Norwegian and American crime stats.
 
I'm not telling them how to do anything, I'm expressing an opinion. I'm not suggesting the U.S. go to the U.N. and threaten to sanction Norway unless they string this guy up.

And there is no way you can claim their system works better than ours unless you tried ours there, or theirs here, and compared the results. There are many significant variables that you are simply ignoring in the comparison because it suits you.
 
You seem to think I am claiming some kind of authority here, when I've only ever said that I was expressing my own opinion.
 
OK fair enough, it just seems a lot like a "those who live in a glass house..." type thread.

And for the record I'm not ignoring those variables, you're not the only one that realizes their are vast differences in our respective societies. But I'm not even saying their system would necessarily work as well here (although I think it probably would be better than our current system), I'm just saying that it comes off as ignorant to criticize a system that clearly works for that society, and gets better results than your own anyway. So what if this guy only gets 21 years? If that's the types of punishments that get good results there, who are we to laugh at that? It's been working far better for them than our broken-ass system works for us.
 
While normally that would be a fair point, I'm not sure there is a large enough data set for "people who murdered six dozen children" to say what punishments Norway has found to work best in such cases.
 
True enough, although I'm inclined to trust them to make a better judgement about what's best in this case than we are here in the U.S. But you're right this is such a special case, I'll personally be amazed if he ever gets out of prison.
 
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