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A Liberals wett dream for Crime and Punishment ...
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... No death penalty and only 100 days in prison for murder.
Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 76
Friday's twin attacks in Norway that killed 76 people have sparked growing outcry at the country's penal code, under which even the man now accused in the mass killings would face a maximum penalty of only 21 years in prison if convicted.
If found guilty in the massacre and given that maximum sentence, Anders Behrin Breivik, 32, would serve roughly 100 days in prison per killing.
Deadly Borabing, Shooting in Norway
Anders Behring Breivik has been charged in the twin attacks Friday that killed 76 in Norway's capital and at a youth camp on an island outside the city.
"So many innocent people have been killed that I think he doesn't have the right to live," Mari Kaugerud wrote on her Facebook group "Yes to the death penalty for Anders Behring Breivik," which already has 1,783 merabers, the AFP reports.
Dozens of similar groups have sprung up since Friday's killings, some calling for the death penalty, others for life in prison.
"People like that shouldn't be able to get out among normal people," a 31-year-old Iranian-born shopkeeper identified only as Mustafa told AFP. "If he gets 21 years, how old will he be? 53! No, he's ruined too much to ever get out."
Breivik is accused of the initial borabing in the capital of Oslo, as well as the subsequent shooting rampage at a Labor Party youth camp on an island outside the city. He is said to be an anti-Muslim extremist who left a online manifesto before carrying out the attacks.
The court ordered him held for eight weeks while prosecutors investigate, four of which will be in isolation, saying Breivik could tamper with evidence if released. Typically, the accused is brought to court every four weeks while prosecutors prepare their case, so a judge can approve his continued detention. Longer perioRAB are not unusual in serious cases.
Breivik has confessed to both assaults but denied criminal responsibility for them and pleaded not guilty Monday. He told authorities there that he expects to spend the rest of his life in prison.
Norwegian law allows for a convict to spend more than 21 years locked up under certain circumstances, if a court deems the prisoner dangerous enough to keep behind bars for additional five-year stretches, AFP reports.
"But how many times will that happen?" Daniel de Francisco, a 25-year-old chef said.
Norwegian law professors, meanwhile, told The Daily Caller that they are proud of the county's lenient judicial system and hope it does not get altered in the wake of Friday's mass killings.
?I think it is very important to keep it that way, despite the gruesome events that have occurred now,? professor Thomas Mathiesen of the University of Oslo told the website. ?Norwegian society will gain nothing from a higher punishment level. People of this kind will not become less prone to engage as this man did ... and the punishment level we have now will contribute to Norway staying the relatively humane society that we are proud of and want to live in.?
Another Oslo law professor, Nils Christie, told The Daily Caller that many Norwegians are proud to live in a country that emphasizes moderation in retribution.
"I hope, and believe, that we also this time will be able to stick to our ideals of moderation in punishment," Christie said told the website. "The preliminary reactions to these days of horror in Norway have been exposure of a strong urge to live up to our basic ideals of remaining an open welfare society based on humanity."
Norway's 21-Year Maximum Penalty Sparks Outcry After Terror Attacks That Killed 76
Friday's twin attacks in Norway that killed 76 people have sparked growing outcry at the country's penal code, under which even the man now accused in the mass killings would face a maximum penalty of only 21 years in prison if convicted.
If found guilty in the massacre and given that maximum sentence, Anders Behrin Breivik, 32, would serve roughly 100 days in prison per killing.
Deadly Borabing, Shooting in Norway
Anders Behring Breivik has been charged in the twin attacks Friday that killed 76 in Norway's capital and at a youth camp on an island outside the city.
"So many innocent people have been killed that I think he doesn't have the right to live," Mari Kaugerud wrote on her Facebook group "Yes to the death penalty for Anders Behring Breivik," which already has 1,783 merabers, the AFP reports.
Dozens of similar groups have sprung up since Friday's killings, some calling for the death penalty, others for life in prison.
"People like that shouldn't be able to get out among normal people," a 31-year-old Iranian-born shopkeeper identified only as Mustafa told AFP. "If he gets 21 years, how old will he be? 53! No, he's ruined too much to ever get out."
Breivik is accused of the initial borabing in the capital of Oslo, as well as the subsequent shooting rampage at a Labor Party youth camp on an island outside the city. He is said to be an anti-Muslim extremist who left a online manifesto before carrying out the attacks.
The court ordered him held for eight weeks while prosecutors investigate, four of which will be in isolation, saying Breivik could tamper with evidence if released. Typically, the accused is brought to court every four weeks while prosecutors prepare their case, so a judge can approve his continued detention. Longer perioRAB are not unusual in serious cases.
Breivik has confessed to both assaults but denied criminal responsibility for them and pleaded not guilty Monday. He told authorities there that he expects to spend the rest of his life in prison.
Norwegian law allows for a convict to spend more than 21 years locked up under certain circumstances, if a court deems the prisoner dangerous enough to keep behind bars for additional five-year stretches, AFP reports.
"But how many times will that happen?" Daniel de Francisco, a 25-year-old chef said.
Norwegian law professors, meanwhile, told The Daily Caller that they are proud of the county's lenient judicial system and hope it does not get altered in the wake of Friday's mass killings.
?I think it is very important to keep it that way, despite the gruesome events that have occurred now,? professor Thomas Mathiesen of the University of Oslo told the website. ?Norwegian society will gain nothing from a higher punishment level. People of this kind will not become less prone to engage as this man did ... and the punishment level we have now will contribute to Norway staying the relatively humane society that we are proud of and want to live in.?
Another Oslo law professor, Nils Christie, told The Daily Caller that many Norwegians are proud to live in a country that emphasizes moderation in retribution.
"I hope, and believe, that we also this time will be able to stick to our ideals of moderation in punishment," Christie said told the website. "The preliminary reactions to these days of horror in Norway have been exposure of a strong urge to live up to our basic ideals of remaining an open welfare society based on humanity."
zotdirector
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The war on drugs was the failed experiment, not liberalism.
I'm not sure these 5-year extensions mean as much as some of you think they do. It sounRAB to me like the burden is on someone to prove that the person is still a danger to society, unlike in a parole hearing where the burden is on the inmate to prove he is reformed.
Do you really think that after 21 years, proving that will be such a foregone conclusion especially in a country with very liberal attitudes toward crime and imprisonment? Because I don't.
Do you really think that after 21 years, proving that will be such a foregone conclusion especially in a country with very liberal attitudes toward crime and imprisonment? Because I don't.
If convicted of the murder of every one of those 76 people, but sentenced to 21 years for all of them put together, he would in fact be serving 76 consecutive murder sentences of barely 100 days each.
When one is charged with killing 76 people, that is not a single murder charge but 76 individual counts of murder. Ideally a man could serve 20 years (or whatever) for each, making for an effective life sentence, but it appears Norway has some kind of limit that prevents this.
When one is charged with killing 76 people, that is not a single murder charge but 76 individual counts of murder. Ideally a man could serve 20 years (or whatever) for each, making for an effective life sentence, but it appears Norway has some kind of limit that prevents this.
Sweet Sandy GirL
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btw 'Wet' is spelled as such, not 'Wett'.
The Ignorant Masses
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Ok then? What's your point, you understand math better than the thread-starter?
Eye Lost Her Again
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Just as much as everyone else in this thread amirite?
[email protected]
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Only conservaderps are complaining about shit they know nothing about.
Everyone else is saying let them handle their fucking business in the way that has worked for them. No one has indicated any problem with Norwegian penal codes, only the fact that they dare to be different from the US. Those different-from-the-US motherfuckers!
Everyone else is saying let them handle their fucking business in the way that has worked for them. No one has indicated any problem with Norwegian penal codes, only the fact that they dare to be different from the US. Those different-from-the-US motherfuckers!
The Black Rabbit of Inlé
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But the article also says this:
"Norwegian law allows for a convict to spend more than 21 years locked up under certain circumstances, if a court deems the prisoner dangerous enough to keep behind bars for additional five-year stretches, AFP reports."
Additional 5 year stretches. He could potentially never get out if he is evaluated and deemed a threat.
"Norwegian law allows for a convict to spend more than 21 years locked up under certain circumstances, if a court deems the prisoner dangerous enough to keep behind bars for additional five-year stretches, AFP reports."
Additional 5 year stretches. He could potentially never get out if he is evaluated and deemed a threat.
curiouswoman
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When in this thread did I ever suggest interfering in the Norwegian justice system?
Letting them handle their business does not conflict with expressing an opinion about how they are handling their business. Maybe that's a foreign concept to lefties who are used to trying to get all their opinions passed into law.
Letting them handle their business does not conflict with expressing an opinion about how they are handling their business. Maybe that's a foreign concept to lefties who are used to trying to get all their opinions passed into law.