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"9" Talkback (Spoilers)
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Bored@Life
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Visually dazzling, a film where the world created and the imaginative set pieces are all breathtaking. Unfortunately, the celeb voice cast are all fairly dull, and the story and characters are just not that interesting. An absolute marvel of design though. DCAU fans who stayed all the way though the credits may have caught former BTAS director/board artist retro-futurist Kevin Altieri!
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I saw it yesterday. Yes, it's still playing where I live. I liked it, but around the end I just kept getting hung up on some of the story elements.
So the scientist split his soul into 9 pieces to preserve the human soul. I get that, and that each of the 9 thus represented a part of humanity as a whole, not just the scientist himself. One is our tendency to want to lead have followers, or the impulse to authority and status quo, for example, and he even has emblems of political, the cape, or religious, the coin and hat, authority that he has stripped away from him before he can make a choice to allow change. 8 is a follower and even an addict, he clearly also represents the military. Nine is vaguer, but obviously the most important because he is hopeful and courageous and revolutionary. You could argue that the characters are intentionally a little flat because none of them are a complete person.
But why did the scientist create them? If it was just to counter the machine brain, powered purely by his own unsuppressed intellect, that destroyed humanity it seemed unnecessary, because it had already been put to sleep and it was the awakening of the last of the 9 that led to it being brought back to life. I get that the soul pieces balanced the machine brain's intellect, but would the same effect have been achieved if they just let themselves be absorbed? Why were only some of the soul pieces necessary to negate the intellect?
Why did it want the soul pieces? It couldn't destroy them, even though it seemed like it. Maybe it was suppressing them, though, the way humanity had suppressed its soul through its intellect, that makes sense. I guess maybe the scientist wanted a final showdown between soul and intellect to prove intellect was weaker, but that seems a little late and pointless to me.
If the other 9 had been able to destroy the machine brain with that cannon, would there have been much difference? Would the soul pieces have remained trapped forever or would they have flown free anyway, saving a lot of trouble?
At any rate, what are we left with at the end? Life and soul haven't survived because several of the traits that are integral to being human have been lost. Sure, they're there in the rain, I guess, but the remaining nine being only part of what they should be can't rebuild society. Even if somehow, and I'm not sure how the scientist could have foreseen this, the soul pieces could heal the earth and make it green again it wouldn't matter much to the remaining 9 as they are non-organic. The remaining 9 aren't even a fitting monument to humanity, if that's what the scientist intended, because they aren't whole.
I don't mind that it leaves open a lot of questions, but it does leave me wondering what the point of all the stuff I just watched was. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
So the scientist split his soul into 9 pieces to preserve the human soul. I get that, and that each of the 9 thus represented a part of humanity as a whole, not just the scientist himself. One is our tendency to want to lead have followers, or the impulse to authority and status quo, for example, and he even has emblems of political, the cape, or religious, the coin and hat, authority that he has stripped away from him before he can make a choice to allow change. 8 is a follower and even an addict, he clearly also represents the military. Nine is vaguer, but obviously the most important because he is hopeful and courageous and revolutionary. You could argue that the characters are intentionally a little flat because none of them are a complete person.
But why did the scientist create them? If it was just to counter the machine brain, powered purely by his own unsuppressed intellect, that destroyed humanity it seemed unnecessary, because it had already been put to sleep and it was the awakening of the last of the 9 that led to it being brought back to life. I get that the soul pieces balanced the machine brain's intellect, but would the same effect have been achieved if they just let themselves be absorbed? Why were only some of the soul pieces necessary to negate the intellect?
Why did it want the soul pieces? It couldn't destroy them, even though it seemed like it. Maybe it was suppressing them, though, the way humanity had suppressed its soul through its intellect, that makes sense. I guess maybe the scientist wanted a final showdown between soul and intellect to prove intellect was weaker, but that seems a little late and pointless to me.
If the other 9 had been able to destroy the machine brain with that cannon, would there have been much difference? Would the soul pieces have remained trapped forever or would they have flown free anyway, saving a lot of trouble?
At any rate, what are we left with at the end? Life and soul haven't survived because several of the traits that are integral to being human have been lost. Sure, they're there in the rain, I guess, but the remaining nine being only part of what they should be can't rebuild society. Even if somehow, and I'm not sure how the scientist could have foreseen this, the soul pieces could heal the earth and make it green again it wouldn't matter much to the remaining 9 as they are non-organic. The remaining 9 aren't even a fitting monument to humanity, if that's what the scientist intended, because they aren't whole.
I don't mind that it leaves open a lot of questions, but it does leave me wondering what the point of all the stuff I just watched was. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
I saw the film on Blu-Ray, and I liked it. While I do think the plot could have been more fleshed out, this film was based on a short film only 11 minutes long, so I would say that the writers did a good job considering what they had to work with. And I loved the dark yet beautiful visuals.