2001 A Space Odyssey

1stmarine

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2001: A Space Odyssey (1968): 3/5

I can't believe I saw this for the 1st time! What does everyone think of the film?

Sometimes I felt the film was so ponderously slow and drawn out, in some sequences not much actually happens. The minimal dialogue is quite jarring at times too (for a lot of the film it feels like a silent film!) :eek: :)
I can see why its really influential though.
However the effects and scope are really impressive (especially for 1968), for example the spaceships and computers, and the justly famous Dawn of Man opening with the monkeys. I loved some of the music used in the film (eg The Blue Danube by Strauss), it really added to the atmosphere. :)
However, I was left wondering what the point of the film was.
Did the part of the film with HAL the intelligent computer RABiobeying Dave's orders when he turns bad (?) imply it is in man's nature to corrupt and no technology will ever be perfect? HAL said no 9000 series had ever made an error, but his twin 9000 series machine did something different to him.
And just what was the ending about? What did it mean? :confused::confused:
 
one of the most beautiful movies committed to celluloid IMO
and extremely enigmatic
nothing is wasted onscreen, NOTHING .....

and that ending, brain-melting isn't it :D

now watch 2010 for SOME answers ;)
 
I watched this for the first time ever on Blu Ray about a month ago, the special effects when he went to that other place were amazing! It was made so long ago but it still looked great.

Apparantly the original was shot on 70mm film so you could see the detail clearly back in the 60s. Great film that gets you thinking!
 
The film was based on a short story which is why its full of such much unimportant padding.

It was Kubrick being completely self indulgent.

However - as a movie viewing experience it has much to offer with its splendid visuals and lovely music.

But the story is tiny.

If ever a film was waste in 4:3 mono this is it.

Bluray is probably the first time the movie has come close to its original theatrical presence.
 
I agree, the music is lovely :)
Maybe I need to see it again, I think the ending has something to do with evolution but I'm not sure ;)
Why does the MGM logo at the start of the film look so cheap and nasty (it's certainly not the MGM Logo I know). I watched the old R2 DVD.
 
It's about human evolution being influenced by the aliens, who use the monolith to communicate and instruct the humans (first as apes). Once instructed, an ape (Moonwatcher) invents the first tool, a bone, which becomes a weapon - there follows killing animals and eating meat, to increase the ape's brain-power. Then the tool becomes a weapon used to murder another ape - the first murder (Cain and Abel) takes place, then the bone is tossed up into the air.

Cut to a few million years later. Spaceships and an orbiting space station. Dr. Heywood Floyd travels to the spacestation, where he is asked about "the very strange things that have been happening at Clavius", the US moonbase. He keeps this a secret an uses a false cover story about an epidemic at the base.

The truth is that an alien artefact, another monolith, has been flound on the moon near the crater Tycho. A group of US scientists goes to look at the monolith, which then emits a radio beam aimed at Jupiter.

Cut to the Jupiter mission, 18 months later. he spaceship has two astronauts, Commander Dave Bowman, the mission controller, and another astronaut, Frank Poole; alseintists in suspendo, there are 3 scientisfs in suspended animation. The spaceship is run by the supercomputer Hal, which has been programmed to behave like ahuman, to make it easier for the astronauts to communicate with it.
Big mistake. The programming comes unstuck, when Hal deliberately lies about the possible failure of a unit which is needed for sending communications to and from Earth mission control, the AE-35 unit. This is a very human thing, because it is a prediction about something that has not happened, but might happen in the future.

The astronauts do a spacewalk to take in the AE-35 unit, but can find nothing wrong with it. Also, a twin Hal computer used at Earth mission control says the onboard Hal computer (on the Jupiter spaceship) is in error predicting the fault. This should not be possible, as no Hal (9000) computer has ever distorted information or made any mistake, no matter how trivial. When asked to account for the discrepancy between the computer, Hall merely says, this must be attributable to "human error", very telling. Hal has behaved like a human.

Hal suggests replacing the AE-35 unit, so that it can fail and they can trace the error. But before that, Poole and Bowman go into a spacepod and turn off the sound, so that Hal cannot hear them speak, but Hal can lip-read. Hal learns that Poole and Bowman will deactivate Hal if the unit does not fail and it has malfunctioned.

Poole does a spacewalk with Bowman watching from the Jupiter spaceship. But Hal does a very human thing and murders Poole by using a spacepod's extensible mechanical arms and hanRAB to pull out his oxygen lead. Bowman sees Poole in spacesuit careering off into space. Bowman asks Hal what has happening. Hal says he does not have enough information, a deliberate lie, a very human thing to do, down to hits programming.

Bowman goes into a pod and goes out into space to retrieve Poole's body, but in his haste forgets to put on his space helmet (unnecessary in the pod). He recovers Poole's body and approaches to pod bay; but Hal will not open the pod bay doors. So Bowman has to enter through the emergency airlock without his helmet. He just about manages this, closing the door before he can be sucked out into space.

Bowman then disables Hal by entering its control room and using a screwdriver to pull out its circuits one by one. The massive super computer dies.

The spaceship then enters Jupiter space. Bowman sees a tape from Floyd which says that evidence of alien life has been found on the moon, with a radio signal being sent to Jupiter; hence the reason for the mission.

Bowman, in spacesuit and helmet, goes into a pod and out through the pod bay doors into space; where near Jupiter's moons, he encounters a space gate, which transfers him to an alien lanRABcape, which he is guided through until the pod emerges in a room with 18th century decor, created from part of his own memory and imagination.

In the 18th century room, Bowman ages, then is seen as a dying old man, who appears to dissolve into a capsule surrounding a large human foetus. The foetus glows and enters another monolith which appears in the room as an astrochild, the next stage of human evolution assisted by the unseen aliens.

The astrochild baby foetus then emerges as an enormous figure, almost the size of the Earth and floats in the space between the Earth and the Moon.
 
The first couple of times I tried to watch it, I found it tedious.

However I must have been in the right mood the third time because I reversed my opinion completely...and have enjoyed several subsequent viewings.

A similar change of mind happened to me with 'Blade Runner'.

There's a moral in that somewhere.
 
Much like Stargate or the trip through the machine in Contact.

In the book, the 18th Century room is recreated from his memory of a soap opera set in a hotel.

The aging bit. In order to have him reborn as the starchild, the aliens have to 'fast forward' Bowman to the end of his life before regressing him to foetus. Hence the old man.

It's all in the book, and a very easy read too.
 
The monolith had been buried at Tycho and only senRAB its radio beam once it is touched by a human hand. This is to inform the aliens that man has reached a certain level of technical advancement and is capable of space travel.

Of course, the monoliths have never been explained: were they just machines; containers for the aliens; or, perhaps, the aliens themselves.
 
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