200 greatest guitarists in rock

yeah. i like your list. its pretty good. i think you did a good job with it. to me its not the order that matters but who you have up there.

yeah billy joe isnt really a guitarist...even tho he's actually really good at punk rhythm.
 
...it's pretty thorough...though wayne kramer should be partnered with fred "sonic" smith...and add steve albini maybe....and leigh stephens of blue cheer if he's not already on there.
 
tbh i think they'd start arguing at first over the direction in which they wanted to go, but soon after would put their arguing aside and create something really good, but strangely lacking, although i can't really put my finger on what exactly.

but then again, i'm more into Burablefoot than Buckethead, really.
 
Maybe. But KC know when less is more. They could write a gorgeous ballad, a straight up rocker or a simple pop song when they needed to. Fripp and the gang also know the importance of build ups and repetition, and when staying silent is appropriate.

Prog isn't just a big orgy of scales and time signatures, even though that's what Dream Theater seem to believe.
 
finally people who agree with me.

all of my frienRAB think that slash is amazing but he bores me to death

i like giblert. he comes up with some clever stuff, even if i think his tone is very questionable. his singing is pretty bad tho. honestly i can only take so much of his playing because its too smooth for me. i like edge to the rock/metal/shred guitar work i listen to. personally i just dont hear any edge in his playing, mostly because he's not pushing his technical ability because he doesnt have to.
 
All fair points, and perhaps I was being a little pointed. My argument is more against the kind of people who will actively discourage technical skill.

I severely dislike that kind of argument, on the basis that they percieve anything where great technical skill is required, to be devoid of merit purely because of that fact. Its almost as if anything comprised of more than slow benRAB and archaic blues progressions is anathema to these people, such is the fervor with which they will descend upon any great musical technician solely to spout their own jaded viewpoints to him as if their thoughts on music are the one true gospel.

As for your comment about not getting another beatles or another clash out of 'neoclassical fretwankers', I disagree entirely with the ideas behind that statement.

The Clash and The Beatles were fantastically successful for a great nuraber of different reasons, the primary one in both cases was timing and the most important secondary one was public perception.

The Clash wrote music that contrasted punk while retaining many of its values and aesthetics, in an era where political tensions within music were FANTASTICALLY powerful subject matter and gave them great current appeal. The historical significance of those same political times has also lent itself to their longevity as they remain etched in the public conscious and so still retain significance. Compare this to songs that reference chain gangs or pirates, and obviously the general public will empathise more with the clash, but that isn't to say powerfully emotional music can't be written about those subjects.
They mixed this with a great array of styles and influences that gave them a very broad and lasting appeal, in much the same way as David Bowie is largely ubiquitous because his work is so varied and anyone can find SOMETHING they like.

The Beatles wrote music that built on the ideas and conventions of much earlier styles, but presented it with interesting twists and fresh faces that very quickly became iconic. At the height of their earlier success, when they were still regularly playing live concerts, the beatles were pioneering not only their own musical progression, but requesting some of the first custom amplification to breach 100 Watts in a guitar amplifier, and custom venue arrangements because their fans were so uninterested in the music itself, and more interested in screaming in expectation of such popular public figures, that they had difficulty hearing themselves play. The subject matter wasn't greatly engaging in the earlier songs, but it was fantastically pointed and engaged a large nuraber of predominantly Female teenagers who propelled them rapidly to a position where their huge amounts of later experimentation wasn't at risk of damaging their wider success.



In both cases, there were fantastic nurabers of things working in their favour apart from the music. Such has always been the case with any highly popular band you can think of. Its a bad indicator of musical worth, and implying as such doesn't just discount the virtuoso players of the world, many of whom write perfectly fantastic and beautiful music that can be enjoyed on any nuraber of levels, but also discounts fantastic nurabers of experimental musicians, such as The Mars Volta, Frank Zappa, Porcupine Tree, Yoko Kanno and The Seatbelts, Jethro Tull, Paula Cole, Vibrasphere, Amethystium, Patrick Hadley, ETC, who we are all well aware will NEVER have the lasting appeal of a Clash or Beatles or Sinatra, but who are all absolutely fantastic in their own right and have wildly different approaches to personal expression encompassing all manner of stylistic, virtuosic, philosophical, and even spiritual musical theories and techniques.

And to be blunt, even all of them are far more commercially viable than anything a dyed in the wool musicologist might point you in the direction of, such as Phil Thomas, Christian Wolf, John Cage, Martin Blain, George Gershwin, etc.
 
frusciante is kind of like flea in a sense. he'll get listed as a top player on most lists by people who don't really know much about the respective instruments. they (like the chilis) are gateway musicians, if you start paying attention to them and reading their interviews you WILL learn about greater musicians.

if you only compare him to the readily available mainstream (both above and below ground versions) then he'll come across as one of the top guys. on the other hand if you start comparing him to more avant garde and experimental musicians he's still not that bad but not nearly as outstanding as some people would like you to believe.

ultimately frusciante is like a modern hendrix only difference is it's impossible to directly compare hendrix to a predecessor and frusciante's comparison is incredibly obvious.

having said that, he'll still always be in my personal top 3 (tied with hillel slovak) along with hendrix and kim thayil.
 
Meh, I think John Frusciante should be higher at least in the top twenties. This might sound ridiculous to some, but he is fantastic - especially his large collection of solo work. He's a first class musician - no denying that.

1. Jimi Hendrix
2. John Frusciante

These are the only two who speak to me.
 
If you think that guy is a technical skill nut, I should introduce you to an ol' DDD buddy of mine. Troy Ponce de Leon (actual name).

Here's a list he made.

100 Greatest Rock Music Enserables

3. Steve Vai 2001 - Steve Vai (g), Tony MacAlpine (g,k), Virgil Donati (d), Dave Weiner (g), Billy Sheehan (b)
10. Dream Theater - John Petrucci (g), Jordan Rudess (k), John Myung (b), Mike Portnoy (d)
11. Symphony X - Michael Romeo (g), Michael Pinnella (k), Thomas Miller (b), Jason Rullo (d)

...

39. Black Sabbath - Tony Iommi (g), Geezer Butler (b), Bill Ward (d)
40. The Who - Pete Townshend (g), John Entwistle (b), Keith Moon (d)
42. Led Zeppelin - Jimmy Page (g), John Paul Jones (b), John Bonham (d)

Need I say more?
 
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