103 remap on stock 96

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proud walker

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Ok all you tech savy folks I have a question. I make a living as an auto mechanic, but this is my first Harley so I'm not so familiar with the relation between some of the dealer techs terms and the after market/owner terms I've seen on this forum. I had an SE stage 1 air cleaner installed during my 1k service at the dealer and they recommended that I get a remap to go with it. He said in order to benifit from the air cleaner upgrade and possible future exhaust upgrades without another remap he recomended the stock map for the 103". My question is does this map equate to the stage 1 or stage 2 103" map that I've read numerous posts about on this site? One reason I'm curious about this is I'm considering after market slipons now and looking at getting the V&H fuel Pak, but looking at their website for application it asks about ECM Map and if I plug in the stock 103 as the answer it doesn't list a setting for the fuel Pak.
In experiences or advise on this? Thanks
 
Try a different dealer - that one is not correct. You need a Stage 1 for a 96". The stock 103 has a restrictive air cleaner and pipes.
 
If anything, I would go for the stage 1 103 map. It would make your bike run a little richer and cooler.

But, I am not an expert... I am sure there others who know more about this topic.
 
Are you going to do any more upgrades to the bike? If you hang around here long enough you will, ask me how I know this. If you do forsee ever doing any future mods call Jamie at Fuel Moto about the PCV and the appropriate map for your bike, I have never personally worked with him but following the reviews of his service by others on this forum and my idea is it better to spend a little more now than save money now only to spend what you should have spent in the first place.

Buy a tuner whatever you choose, do some research and that way you have the ability to do upgrades in the future easier, and maybe a little cheaper.
 
I'm not looking to win races or do burnouts, I just love to ride the highways and so does my wife. I'm just not totally satisfied with the power and torque to weight ratio for acceleration in the 1800 to 3000 rpm range. I know from what I've read on here and personal experience with autos that the first step to improving that is more air in and exhaust out of the cylinders so I know I have to change the exhaust next. I guess my question to the experts here is - am I or will I benefit anything from the installation of the stock 103 map that the dealer installed? If not, why in the hell would he recommend that if he could have installed a different map that would have worked better?
 
The 103 stage 1 map has a little more fuel than the 96 stage 1 map. That is the only difference between them (either stage 1 makes a rev limiter change and a slight timing change from the base stock map). If you only changed the air cleaner and not the pipes with that, you may be running too rich (which isn't a good idea, either).
 
If all u have done so far is open up air in with the A/C then you do not need to do anything to make a map change.
Once you change out your mufflers or headpipes you will need a re-map. Stage 1 download. If you do a download and later decide on a fuel pac u may find yourself back at the dealer getting the download out
 
With the air cleaner and slip-ons you would be fine with the 96 stage one flash and run a little cooler buy using the 103 stage one flash. But to save money on a one time flash that can't be adjusted you can just buy the fuel pac or another tuner like the power commander 5 and have the options to change maps down the road if you decide to upgrade anything else. With the fuel moto PCV you get the tuner and a tune for you exact set up along with free additional tunes for life if you ever upgrade the cams or a better flowing exhaust or even a 103 or bigger. With the flash from harley its a one time deal. Wish i had just went with a PCV the first time around!
 
I am not a fan of downloads or add ons such as the Fuelpak. Attached is a chart showing the difference on 88" with air cleaner, slip ons and a download vs. a good tune. The owner of this bike will never use wot which is all the chart shows, but she notices how much better the bike runs everywhere else. There are some devices out there that will allow you to tune your bike yourself, allowing access to all the tables in your ecm, anytime you change a part. Spend the money on a good tuning device once.
 
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