This and healthcare is not a right. I see so many people that bitch and moan that they can't afford healthcare - yet they drive around in a couple of leased cars (or at least making payments on) - They have all the latest in technology like cell phones, video games, laptops, big screens. Its all a joke. No self responsibility. Mommy and daddy took care of you and now the government needs to.
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Why would anyone be AGAINST national healthcare???
- Thread starter Viqular
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theyre not valid because its all just speculation. personal accountability is all good but someone's wellbeing should be a right. im not saying the poor should be handed checks, fuck welfare. if we have national healthcare then welfare should become obsolete as medical would be eradicated. so all the money that funds welfare can fund national healthcare, you wouldnt see a bit more taxation. and the claim that it invites the government to regulate what we put into our bodies is ridiculous not just because we have liberty but because they already do regulate what we put into our bodies. look at our shitty food supply. go to walmart and try to shop for groceries that somebody hasnt had their hands in filling it with preservatives and treated for whatnot. All of those things cause us harm over time, cancer is not natural it comes from the shit they do to our food. Meat is very unhealthy compared to raw natural food but you will never hear about that because theres no money in it so they push meat. its a vicious cycle and it has to stop.
s0darktheconofman
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But that is the liberal way! God damned socialism. I really hope someone steps up to the plate and tries all these bastards for treason against the constitution.
The world isnt as cutthroat as you have been deceived into believing. Our national healthcare system is the result of what happens when you stop questioning authority and start taking their word for it. Only a fool would defend the current system. Only a fool would trust anyone in power.
friday_again
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1.) you're not.
2.) That article is bias, look up how they rate health care systems.
But that's neither here nor there. I wasn't talking about average citizen health or other nonsense, I was talking about research, and our ability to diagnose and treat advanced diseases.
2.) That article is bias, look up how they rate health care systems.
But that's neither here nor there. I wasn't talking about average citizen health or other nonsense, I was talking about research, and our ability to diagnose and treat advanced diseases.
chileanbabe
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I don't believe you can stutter in writing so if you would like to ask me better question that would be much appreciated
Doctors spend 12 years of their lives in school and training to attain their position. Most have to take out tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loans to pay for it. After they get out of school, they have to work hard every day at practice, be alert and never have an "off day" because if they slip up somebody could die.
And, somehow, you believe you are entitled to all of that work, all of that hard-earned knowledge and skill that a doctor has attained and you shouldn't have to pay for it. And that if you don't get it, you are being "shortchanged." Apparently, you think that everyone who has toiled and sacrificed to make something of themselves OWES something to you. You have a RIGHT to what they have worked hard to attain, much harder than you've probably worked for anything in your life. All because you say so, because you can't be bothered to take responsibility for your own life, your own health, and your own medical insurance.
How does that work, exactly?
And, somehow, you believe you are entitled to all of that work, all of that hard-earned knowledge and skill that a doctor has attained and you shouldn't have to pay for it. And that if you don't get it, you are being "shortchanged." Apparently, you think that everyone who has toiled and sacrificed to make something of themselves OWES something to you. You have a RIGHT to what they have worked hard to attain, much harder than you've probably worked for anything in your life. All because you say so, because you can't be bothered to take responsibility for your own life, your own health, and your own medical insurance.
How does that work, exactly?
liarscandie
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What if your Dad didn't have that insurance? Would you deserve to die for not having that dad? Cause it's happening.
Talk about our taxes all you want but: we have less debt per person, work less, take more vacations, drink more, have more sex.
Good thing you have lower taxes..
Talk about our taxes all you want but: we have less debt per person, work less, take more vacations, drink more, have more sex.
Good thing you have lower taxes..
Im in canada and we have national healthcare.
Currently the nurses (the ones who have gone to school for 4 years/etc) make great money but long hours. the other nurses make decent money but work long hours/etc. They are short staffed and overworked.
in essence nationalized healthcare will increase taxes while most doctors will be paid the same amount as they currently due with marginal increases.
Or they make less then they currently do if you are a specialist.
Currently the nurses (the ones who have gone to school for 4 years/etc) make great money but long hours. the other nurses make decent money but work long hours/etc. They are short staffed and overworked.
in essence nationalized healthcare will increase taxes while most doctors will be paid the same amount as they currently due with marginal increases.
Or they make less then they currently do if you are a specialist.
David the old one
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Happy Bday belated BDAY
i am in a military health care family, and since i was little my parents have always made sure i had health insurance other than that which is provided by the government. my dad still uses the VA hospital for all of his medical problems but he never wanted me to go there. but i would say that is more an issue of good doctors not sticking around getting paid shit for working at the VA and instead going into practice for themselves where they can make much more. that wouldnt happen in a universal healthcare system atleast that I can logically see.
And then think that MCSame is going to reform it??? The republican regime were living under is the reason the health care in this country is shit. How exactly is McCain/Palin going to make it better? The only reform McCain has planned is further mangling of the system and health insurance lobbyist payoffs to keep on fucking us the way they do. As long as we slave for corporate america we can have our health....as long as it isnt too expensive and doesnt affect their bottom line. Meanwhile corporate america also has a hand in keeping us unhealthy by saturating our food supply with chemicals and undigestible shit. Sadly, if were not productive were costing them too much money to remain alive. Bishops from the top left and right, two knights out of nowwhere, slain by a pawn. Its a nice little scheme they have going. The middleclass schmucks who allow it to continue infuriate me. WHAT HAVE THESE PEOPLE EVER DONE FOR YOU TO GARNER SUCH SUPPORT????
Is there anyone still out there that is gullible enough to buy into the regurgitative bullshit that oozes its way out of McCain/Palin's mouth? They have a way of talking while not saying anything all the while being ever so careful not to spill the beans of what these theives really have planned.
Palin is either really good at smiling over a face of shame or she really is this ignorant. Either way, she is a retard. And those who support her comments are brain dead. you have to be. She has no idea whats going on and she sure as hell didnt figure it all out in a few days.
What did Palin or McCain say in these debates that made you say,"hmm thats a real good point, that sounds like it could really help me out and make this country better off ..." I know I personally had my ears locked on everything said in these last 2 debates and not once did I hear even a shred of what could be considered positive change from the reps side. In fact, there seemed to be no change at all as far as they were concerned. Just a lot maverick this and joe gosh darnly that, are you fcking serious with this shit? Am I really seeing the same thing happen again for the third time? Who are you people that fall for this dumb shit time and time again? Where do you go for three years before you reemerge again to vote in another theif/terrorist? Its almost as if none of this affects you and youre watching this all go down from a remote location laughing until you cant breathe.
Since when is a maverick someone who fucks around in the military under the good graces of his father's last name then promptly gets shot down when he had no business being up in the air to begin with and a bimbo from a land that's only significance is OIL who's only intention is to drill for that oil. and when either of them get tossed even the slightest of curveballs they go back to the default maverick/war hero schtick. It doesnt take a genius to figure out what her motives are but it takes a retard to support her. Again, for extra good measure and for those who fear reading lots of words let me spell it out for you as clear and as efficiently as I can:
If you support what comes out of Palin's mouth you are retarded. Your vote shouldnt count on the grounds that you are mentally deficient. Good day.
Is there anyone still out there that is gullible enough to buy into the regurgitative bullshit that oozes its way out of McCain/Palin's mouth? They have a way of talking while not saying anything all the while being ever so careful not to spill the beans of what these theives really have planned.
Palin is either really good at smiling over a face of shame or she really is this ignorant. Either way, she is a retard. And those who support her comments are brain dead. you have to be. She has no idea whats going on and she sure as hell didnt figure it all out in a few days.
What did Palin or McCain say in these debates that made you say,"hmm thats a real good point, that sounds like it could really help me out and make this country better off ..." I know I personally had my ears locked on everything said in these last 2 debates and not once did I hear even a shred of what could be considered positive change from the reps side. In fact, there seemed to be no change at all as far as they were concerned. Just a lot maverick this and joe gosh darnly that, are you fcking serious with this shit? Am I really seeing the same thing happen again for the third time? Who are you people that fall for this dumb shit time and time again? Where do you go for three years before you reemerge again to vote in another theif/terrorist? Its almost as if none of this affects you and youre watching this all go down from a remote location laughing until you cant breathe.
Since when is a maverick someone who fucks around in the military under the good graces of his father's last name then promptly gets shot down when he had no business being up in the air to begin with and a bimbo from a land that's only significance is OIL who's only intention is to drill for that oil. and when either of them get tossed even the slightest of curveballs they go back to the default maverick/war hero schtick. It doesnt take a genius to figure out what her motives are but it takes a retard to support her. Again, for extra good measure and for those who fear reading lots of words let me spell it out for you as clear and as efficiently as I can:
If you support what comes out of Palin's mouth you are retarded. Your vote shouldnt count on the grounds that you are mentally deficient. Good day.
Dylan Calvert
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well its also another tab the government would have to pick up..... seeing as health care is expensive yet "we" will provide it to everyone for cheap is not beneficial. Plus doesnt the demmys want to reduce government spending? Doesnt seem so.............
kbonier2007
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What exactly are you basing that on?
In america the people with the most control over the health care system are profit-minded. Shareholders of insurance companies and health care providers are the ones people answer to. The shareholders are in it for the money. Therefore a very large percent (the highest percent that some very powerful, intelligent, and motivated people can keep it at) of the money spent on "healthcare" goes to private citizens pockets.
That means the people that have the most say in what kind of treatment you recieve are always weighing your health aginst the profit margin. How healthy do you have to be to achieve optimum efficiency?
It also means the people that have the say on whether or not you pay through the nose yourself, make more money for denying people. I don't think even some brain washed dumbasses on this board are stupid enough to try and tell me that some people that pay their premiums aren't screwed over. Sometimes at the cost of their limbs, livelihoods or even lives.
It's funny how some otherwise intelligent people that can recognize that there is no black and whites only greys, fail to apply that wisdom to economics. I'm a huge fucking fan of capitalism, but it's not right in all places. What would happen if Wal-mart swallowed every company in every sector? What would america look like then? There is always a place to draw the line. Absolutes are for fucking simpletons.
I hope one day your population wakes up and returns to it's people oriented ways. What do you think your founding fathers would think of this country today? They were modern men, who fought for what they believed in, questioned authority, and were willing to fight for freedom.
Modern americans are lazy and complacent work animals who are too scared to fight.
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That means the people that have the most say in what kind of treatment you recieve are always weighing your health aginst the profit margin. How healthy do you have to be to achieve optimum efficiency?
It also means the people that have the say on whether or not you pay through the nose yourself, make more money for denying people. I don't think even some brain washed dumbasses on this board are stupid enough to try and tell me that some people that pay their premiums aren't screwed over. Sometimes at the cost of their limbs, livelihoods or even lives.
It's funny how some otherwise intelligent people that can recognize that there is no black and whites only greys, fail to apply that wisdom to economics. I'm a huge fucking fan of capitalism, but it's not right in all places. What would happen if Wal-mart swallowed every company in every sector? What would america look like then? There is always a place to draw the line. Absolutes are for fucking simpletons.
I hope one day your population wakes up and returns to it's people oriented ways. What do you think your founding fathers would think of this country today? They were modern men, who fought for what they believed in, questioned authority, and were willing to fight for freedom.
Modern americans are lazy and complacent work animals who are too scared to fight.
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chris_r1996
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http://www.trurodaily.com/index.cfm?sid=150698&sc=518
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576704/Don%27t-treat-the-old-and-unhealthy,-say-doctors.html
Maybe do some research to see what the situation is really like over there. Why do you think you have people coming to the U.S. for health care from Canada?
National Health care is falling apart.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576704/Don%27t-treat-the-old-and-unhealthy,-say-doctors.html
Maybe do some research to see what the situation is really like over there. Why do you think you have people coming to the U.S. for health care from Canada?
National Health care is falling apart.