Poke_the_Bear
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conclusions about Tuscon? Let's include the Liberals in this too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/opinion/07sat1.html?_r=1
In the aftermath of this unforgivable attack, it will be important to avoid drawing prejudicial conclusions from the fact that Major Hasan is an American Muslim whose parents came from the Middle East.
President Obama was right when he told Americans, “we don’t know all the answers yet” and cautioned everyone against “jumping to conclusions.”
But yet, this week, let's blame the Tea Party and Sarah Palin with not a whit of evidence. Hmmmm...what conclusion could one come to?
Yesterdays editorial. Notice any difference?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10mon1.html
It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman's act directly to Republicans or Tea Party members. But it is legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge. Many on the right have exploited the arguments of division, reaping political power by demonizing immigrants, or welfare recipients, or bureaucrats. They seem to have persuaded many Americans that the government is not just misguided, but the enemy of the people.
That whirlwind has touched down most forcefully in Arizona, which Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik described after the shooting as the capital of "the anger, the hatred and the bigotry that goes on in this country." Anti-immigrant sentiment in the state, firmly opposed by Ms. Giffords, has reached the point where Latino studies programs that advocate ethnic solidarity have actually been made illegal. . . .
Now, having seen first hand the horror of political violence, Arizona should lead the nation in quieting the voices of intolerance, demanding an end to the temptations of bloodshed, and imposing sensible controls on its instruments.
Political? Does the Times know something that we don't? I see no evidence yet this editorial goes on. One would think the paper of record would want to get their facts straight, regardless of whether or not it is an opinion piece.
Lenny the Straw man-
1. Do you have any right-wing publications that jumped to that conclusion? No? I really don't see any proof, yet you have the entire internet to look........
2. Criticize Fox all you want......you still didn't answer my question. I wonder why?
3. Yet you have NO PROOF WHATSOEVER it was political. Now that I think about it, using your logic, if you can assume Tuscon was political, could not the right wing jump to conclusions about Maj. Hassan's motivations? You decry one conclusion jumping but not the other? Can you say hypocrite?
John Gibson @ Fox News- Ahh....deflection....lets not address what the Times did, but just say they are publicly traded.....way to avoid the question.....how pathetic is that answer?
John Gibson @ Fox News- Oh by the way, they should be far more concerned about what the readership has to say.....OR they too could be sold off for a dollar, like Newsweek.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/opinion/07sat1.html?_r=1
In the aftermath of this unforgivable attack, it will be important to avoid drawing prejudicial conclusions from the fact that Major Hasan is an American Muslim whose parents came from the Middle East.
President Obama was right when he told Americans, “we don’t know all the answers yet” and cautioned everyone against “jumping to conclusions.”
But yet, this week, let's blame the Tea Party and Sarah Palin with not a whit of evidence. Hmmmm...what conclusion could one come to?
Yesterdays editorial. Notice any difference?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10mon1.html
It is facile and mistaken to attribute this particular madman's act directly to Republicans or Tea Party members. But it is legitimate to hold Republicans and particularly their most virulent supporters in the media responsible for the gale of anger that has produced the vast majority of these threats, setting the nation on edge. Many on the right have exploited the arguments of division, reaping political power by demonizing immigrants, or welfare recipients, or bureaucrats. They seem to have persuaded many Americans that the government is not just misguided, but the enemy of the people.
That whirlwind has touched down most forcefully in Arizona, which Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik described after the shooting as the capital of "the anger, the hatred and the bigotry that goes on in this country." Anti-immigrant sentiment in the state, firmly opposed by Ms. Giffords, has reached the point where Latino studies programs that advocate ethnic solidarity have actually been made illegal. . . .
Now, having seen first hand the horror of political violence, Arizona should lead the nation in quieting the voices of intolerance, demanding an end to the temptations of bloodshed, and imposing sensible controls on its instruments.
Political? Does the Times know something that we don't? I see no evidence yet this editorial goes on. One would think the paper of record would want to get their facts straight, regardless of whether or not it is an opinion piece.
Lenny the Straw man-
1. Do you have any right-wing publications that jumped to that conclusion? No? I really don't see any proof, yet you have the entire internet to look........
2. Criticize Fox all you want......you still didn't answer my question. I wonder why?
3. Yet you have NO PROOF WHATSOEVER it was political. Now that I think about it, using your logic, if you can assume Tuscon was political, could not the right wing jump to conclusions about Maj. Hassan's motivations? You decry one conclusion jumping but not the other? Can you say hypocrite?
John Gibson @ Fox News- Ahh....deflection....lets not address what the Times did, but just say they are publicly traded.....way to avoid the question.....how pathetic is that answer?
John Gibson @ Fox News- Oh by the way, they should be far more concerned about what the readership has to say.....OR they too could be sold off for a dollar, like Newsweek.