dictionaries (figuratively in laws)? I mean this figuratively. There are some liberals who won't settle for a compromise and even when same-sex unions have every single right that opposite-sex unions have, they insist that in the public eye's the two be conflated with the same name. Gender is not supposed to be visible at all. It is like forcing the public to believe that apples and oranges are exactly the same thing (which they are not) by calling them appanges. Opposite-sex unions and same-sex unions can be equal but can never be the same thing so it would be irrational for government to force people to call them the same thing. We can just get rid of the name "marriage," that would be fine with me, and call opposite-sex unions "androgynezyges" and same-sex unions "homozyges."
MezMerizen, but in the vernacular we don't say how is your "union between members of the opposite sex" doing! I want a term that can be used in the vernacular
LabGrrl, that is marriage used metaphorically, we are talking about marriage used sociologically and in colloquial banal discourse
Nummits and Crummits, YOU are wrong! You are so wrong! We still have the different races in the vernacular and we still call people things like "African American" or "Caucasian" or "Asian," etc.
bestonett, you are an ad hominem attacker, address the question please, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VERNACULAR-SPEAK
see this is why I will never enter politics with people like this around
Labbgrrl, you are wrong, marriage can ultimately be traced to the Latin maritus or husband--there is a sex meaning in the etymology
don't lecture me on these things unless you know what you are talking about--it is not the same thing as union, for the Latin for union was iunctio
Labbgrrl, you got owned
Nummits and Crummits, you are blind ideologue and you did not even respond to my argument WE DO STILL USE RACE TERMS
MasterminD, suit yourself, plenty of people disagree with you, we live in a republic not a dictatorship governed by you or an oligarchy governed by your ivy-league NYTimes cronies
LabGrrl, now you are so blinded in your ideology that you have resorted to names. Nobody speaks Latin, sure there are clubs and attempts to revive it, but it is not a living language in the sense that English is. Just because marito was used for same-sex unions doesn't mean marriage is etymologically rooted in union. Don't be stupid, please. Marier comes from marito which comes from maritus which comes from mas (male).
LabGrrl, I am a kid, but you sure don't act like an adult, anybody can access the internet and find out what Latin words were used where, I checked your profile and you have no schooling in Latin, sorry
LabGrrl, you have no idea what you talk about, Ecclesiastical Latin is not the same as Classical Latin or the Latin derived from it (Vulgar), and it still doesn't mean it qualifies as a living language just because an institution has used it for thousands of years
please, I'm sick of arguing with you, yeah sure you have your degrees, but you are pathetic for arguing with someone like me (much younger than you) just because you were incorrect in thinking that etymologically marriage comes from union, please give me a break
PS, French marier (I can use the internet to) is an infinitival form and cannot mean union, stop trying to force yourself on me just to prove that you can win the argument and erase the fact that you were wrong at the start on the etymology of marriage
Labgrrl, you are the one who said "and you're giving the term marriage a new definition it never had in the past" and you did not modify how far into the past that is. Please stop using ad hominem attacks, that's all liberals and conservatives and any ideologues can do, you don't know me, you don't know where I will go to college, grad school etc. Please stop assuming.
Ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies and do not address the argument but in an era where liberals call conservatives and anyone who disagrees with them "uneducated homophobes" and where conservatives call anyone who disagrees with them "immoral denizens destined for hell" I should expect this
MezMerizen, but in the vernacular we don't say how is your "union between members of the opposite sex" doing! I want a term that can be used in the vernacular
LabGrrl, that is marriage used metaphorically, we are talking about marriage used sociologically and in colloquial banal discourse
Nummits and Crummits, YOU are wrong! You are so wrong! We still have the different races in the vernacular and we still call people things like "African American" or "Caucasian" or "Asian," etc.
bestonett, you are an ad hominem attacker, address the question please, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VERNACULAR-SPEAK
see this is why I will never enter politics with people like this around
Labbgrrl, you are wrong, marriage can ultimately be traced to the Latin maritus or husband--there is a sex meaning in the etymology
don't lecture me on these things unless you know what you are talking about--it is not the same thing as union, for the Latin for union was iunctio
Labbgrrl, you got owned
Nummits and Crummits, you are blind ideologue and you did not even respond to my argument WE DO STILL USE RACE TERMS
MasterminD, suit yourself, plenty of people disagree with you, we live in a republic not a dictatorship governed by you or an oligarchy governed by your ivy-league NYTimes cronies
LabGrrl, now you are so blinded in your ideology that you have resorted to names. Nobody speaks Latin, sure there are clubs and attempts to revive it, but it is not a living language in the sense that English is. Just because marito was used for same-sex unions doesn't mean marriage is etymologically rooted in union. Don't be stupid, please. Marier comes from marito which comes from maritus which comes from mas (male).
LabGrrl, I am a kid, but you sure don't act like an adult, anybody can access the internet and find out what Latin words were used where, I checked your profile and you have no schooling in Latin, sorry
LabGrrl, you have no idea what you talk about, Ecclesiastical Latin is not the same as Classical Latin or the Latin derived from it (Vulgar), and it still doesn't mean it qualifies as a living language just because an institution has used it for thousands of years
please, I'm sick of arguing with you, yeah sure you have your degrees, but you are pathetic for arguing with someone like me (much younger than you) just because you were incorrect in thinking that etymologically marriage comes from union, please give me a break
PS, French marier (I can use the internet to) is an infinitival form and cannot mean union, stop trying to force yourself on me just to prove that you can win the argument and erase the fact that you were wrong at the start on the etymology of marriage
Labgrrl, you are the one who said "and you're giving the term marriage a new definition it never had in the past" and you did not modify how far into the past that is. Please stop using ad hominem attacks, that's all liberals and conservatives and any ideologues can do, you don't know me, you don't know where I will go to college, grad school etc. Please stop assuming.
Ad hominem attacks are logical fallacies and do not address the argument but in an era where liberals call conservatives and anyone who disagrees with them "uneducated homophobes" and where conservatives call anyone who disagrees with them "immoral denizens destined for hell" I should expect this