Who believes that the failure of are education system is a way to maintain the

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Dem party? At a 4th of July party I had a discussion with 3 teachers from what is considered a good school district. The stories they told about the dumbing down of students, the drug use, the total disrespect for teachers, were shocking. One teacher stated that she believed that its the Government that not only doesn't do anything about it but looks at it as an opportunity to get voters for the liberal agenda. The party of no hope..
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Bash, do you hear voices? Dont be so parinoid
Sean.......Please tell me the inner-city school that you teach in?
Secondly, you think public schools should not be run like a buisness, because you dont produce a product?
What is it that you are producing besides an avenue to get your idioligy out?
I agree lets not run schools like a buisness, lets also get rid of the unions that protect poor performing teachers.
In Chicago for instance, 3 times the taxpayers money goes into inner-city public schools then the rest of the state and yet they have the poorest performance.....
 
From the looks of the last election, you would be totally, Republicanly wrong. The higher the education level, the more likely people were to support Obama. Makes sense, the deterioration of our educational system has pretty much paralleled the dominance of the Republican party (Republican administration all but twelve of the past forty years). Of course, I have a little problem with your "story" but I am so used to Republican dishonesty, that it no longer bothers me. How silly is that "party of no hope" moniker being used to describe the Democratic party? Silly, silly, irrelevant Republicans. Keep it up you are making it easier an easier for people to leave your party.
 
First, I will not concede in any way that public education is a failure. It isn't, despite the efforts to render it so. NCLB is a full-frontal assault against public schools perpetrated by the Business Roundtable under the guise of bi-partisanship, but its intent is to blow up public education. That is the goal of the NEOCONS who refer to public schools as "government" schools. They want to create a privatized system that will result in a system of economic apartheid in this country that will make the already large divide between rich and poor even larger.

Next, there are some nice straw-man arguments ("Government that not only doesn't do anything about it but looks at it as an opportunity to get voters for the liberal agenda"; and "a way to maintain the Dem party). OH PLEASE!!

I teach in an inner-city K-8, and there are occasional outbursts that are disrespectful, but it is not the norm because that isn't accepted in my building.

The biggest challenge in public education is this "reform" that is suggests that schools should be run like a business. Ignorant idea at the least. Schools are not a business. They do not produce a product or a service. Schools do not exist to earn a profit. Schools exist to prepare our young people to participate in our democratic republic. But the entire "reform" that comes from this business model is built on the faulty assumption that standardized test scores have some effect on a country's economic prowess. If that were the case, Sweden and Finland would be economic juggernauts.

The variance in public schools in this country is amazing. There are schools that look like they belong in a third world country. There are others that are THE state-of-the-art facilities. Who says funding isn't important?
 
Here is my answer to another question that I think is somewhat relevant here. Anyone who has only attended school since the period of time mentioned can not see this.

There was a time in this country before affirmative action and other related programs which include higher education, when teaching was an honorable profession. Now it is simply union protected. Teachers earn a better salary than most others in the community who have to support them and work less than half of the year in reality. Then they are free to seek other high paying part time jobs during the summer months.

There was a time in this country before affirmative action and other related programs when students attending high school were prepared for life and learned not only curricula that taught them to think and prepared them for life after school no matter what their circumstance. Everybody didn't go to college. You didn't need a college degree to get a menial job. You didn't need a college degree to get a good paying job. You didn't need a college degree to start a business. Most people could at least balance a check book, plan a financial strategy, and support themselves and a family.

Today we have a bunch of educated certificate carriers with no perspective of how a family should be run let alone a county, city, state, or country.

Today we have everybody prepared for college but nobody prepared for life. Everybody has their version of the American Dream but nobody has a version of American Reality. They seem to believe in anyone who can be articulate. We need to recognize a scoundrel when we see one. Obama knows how to pull the wool over peoples eyes with simple words strung together in a deceptive manner. My favorite being there is almost a uniform consensus. Fooled you with it didn't he? You thought that was great support for his argument that the stimulus as done was the right thing to do. We don't need a stimulus bill that stimulates when the recession is over. We need one now. The one that still has us loosing about a half million jobs a month can't be called a stimulus after seven months. If you believe that was a correct stimulus you are making my point.
 
I agree that the system has been dumbed down, but the Democrats were not in charge of all the school districts in the country, so it would appear to be bipartisan.
 
Yes It is. Even the Russian newspaper Pravda had an editorial where they mentioned dumbing down of students as a way to Marxism.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-0/
 
Were all those teachers as clueless as the one you mention? THAT might be the problem right there. If you're trying to lay the blame on the Obama administration - he hasn't had enough time to screw it up. L'il George W Bush is the guy who really messed up things over his 8 years of proud ignorance. I'm not a big fan of the Democrats but they sure look good compared to the floundering, foundering Republicans.
 
our education problems were in place way BEFORE Obama came into office. I live in California and SCHWARZENEGGER has been messing up this state for years; and just now finally has hurt our children with HIS budget cuts on schools!!
 
Your teaparty friends should find a new line of work if they believe that. FYI: If a teacher suspects drug use, he/she should notify the school administrators, not whine about it at a tea party to strangers. If a teacher feels a student is disrespectiful, he/she should notify the parents, the school administrators, and--again---not discuss his/her students with strangers at a tea party. If his/her students are being 'dumbed down', he/she should seek out new ways to make certain they are up to the standards, not whine about individual students at a tea party.
 
The Dem party has ALWAYS been one of 'no hope' & only seek to enable our dysfunctional system -the last election was a TRUE comedy, to think that millions of people were silly enough to buy their latest claim that they are the 'party of change..' was a good one, and only shows how misinformed ordinary Americans are -I'm not saying that the Republicans are saints, just that the Dems have been better (historically) for 'playing' our system..How about all the 'Teachers' in NY that have been disciplined for one action or another, still sitting @ home collecting their pay for doing, quite literally NOTHING? Sounds like something the Dems would be proud of..(LOL). When one can find more truth in Pravda then in the NY Times is a sad day, indeed..
 
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