Whats your opinion on judges placing paints AFTER all the brown horses at english shows?

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Do you think its "wrong" for a paint horse to be showing in english? I show my friends paint horse in beginner eq. and hunters. Also, do you think its unfair that judges don't place paints only because of their colors?

I just wanted some thoughts on this. c: I think the judges should be fair and not place all the brown horses before the paints. I also show an appaloosa and at one show my friend and I were at (showing a paint and appy) we always placed last. Heck, I did a perfect course on my appy and a brown horse had atleast a refusal and knocked over a pole and STILL placed higher then me! Is it just me or is that completely unfair?

I personally hate judges who dont place horses because of their friggin color. ): My one friend has a paint pony who, okay, is a little devil, but still... Anyway, her show name is "I would've pinned higher but the judge hates me." xD

Okay enough of me ranting... So the question is, whats your view on judges ignoring the beautiful paints and looking at the plain brown horses? Do you think its fair or is it customary for a brown horse to show english and you think its wrong that a paint shows in english?

So yeah, just say whatever you want about this matter! Im curious to see what other people think about this and if its fair or not. C:
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with judges placing paints after other horses. They really don't deserve to be shown in english--

God, that sounds like such B.S. No, seriously, judges actually DO choose based on color in the hunter jumper ring. This is a sad known fact. Though it isn't always completely apparent, for some strange reason it IS going on. I think it's absolutely rediculous. It's WRONG, it's DUMB -- it has nothing to do with the color.

While I can't say that you necessarily did the best compared to the other horse without seeing -- I've SEEN it in the show ring and a lot of professionals say "no, we can't purchase any paints, they won't show well". They only purchase paints as SCHOOLING horses, so it decreases their costs too. I've heard it said before by a high trainer who trained at the same barn that my dressage instructor boarded her horse originally (when she was sick and too sore to do a whole lot of riding...) and she was talking to another gal and said "no, don't get a paint. You can't buy paints for anything in the show ring, they're out of fashion right now and won't score well." They went on to rant about it too.

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Actually, I'm not so sure it's a color thing, because the father of a warmblood colt I was looking to buy was a black pinto warmblood, and he had a lot of points, he was an amazing horse. So the judges didn't seem to dislike him :P. I think his name was Indian Art or something, I have trouble remembering and trying to find him -.-;
 
That kind of judging is one of the reasons I dislike hunter shows and prefer eventing (or jumpers). It's just way too subjective, and if they weren't judging you on your horse's color, it would be your jacket color, or your trainer's name, or some other non-performance related reason.

I don't think it should matter what color your horse, tack or clothing is - you should be judged on the performance standards for the class only. Unfortunately, that never happens in the hunter world. Maybe you should think about switching to eventing or jumpers where you will be judged fairly.
 
i think it's wrong that paints place last or not at all. it's basically saying that the judges are prejudice against the horses for their color. they could be the most PERFECT horse of all and the judges could place the most brattiest horse first..... i knew an appy (he passed away - he was 28 and was very sick so they had to put him down) that was the SWEETEST thing. he was so strong and he fought till the end. i bet he did really well when his owner showed him, but that would be totally wrong if he didn't because he was a really good rider. he didn't stop being ridding till a half a year before he died. i actually turned him out the night they had to put him down. well he tripped in the field and his intestines were getting messed up (his bladder was already parylized) and he had trouble getting up. he did get up and the owner didn't want to put him down, but she finally realized how much pain he was in and wanted him to go peacefully. he lived very strong till the end and i bet he would have kicked have those bay hores's butts in shows even after he was sick! but yeah i actually have a qh/paint but you can't see any paint in her. in the summer she does get little dapples, but besides that shes totally a bay. she is THE BEST mare out there... she may be extremely expensive and allergic to everything (seriously she's allergic to the barn...) but she is literally the best horse in the show ring. 2007 was my first show season EVER and i got 5th place in my devision.... i only did 7 shows total (7 classes per show) and i got higher placed than half the people who did all the shows..... and would that be fair if she was a good horse and got pulled down just because she was "considered paint?" it's like their going back to slavery in my opinion.... EVERYBODY (including animals...) IS EQUAL FOR GOD SAKE! why can't people just realize that already!?!?!? except hitler may be different than us... but besides that everyone is equal!
 
Sure, I do think its unfair.
I'm not going to go on and on about how unfair it is, but it is because English is a more ''conservative'' style of riding. And really, its not all English judges. They tend to prefer colors such as chestnut, brown, bay, grey (dappled), black, white, cremello, and sometimes buckskin. Not all judges are like that, and I've seen a patterned horse place among third place. It is like that with wall (blue) eyes, too. I have no clue why they do that, but yes, I do think its unfair. :)
 
If this particular judge won't place paints time after time after time, not just yours, but all paints, then you have a prejudiced judge. They need to be reported.

Paints have just as much right to show as any other horse, whatever color.
 
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