tried a 08 last year, mind you it had been dropped a couple of times before, i thought it was gutless and the suspension was very soft, i think the vtr was a better bike except the brakes on it were horrible it would get real gummy when it heated up. on the other hand i rode the sv for a good 15 minutes so i could just be talking out of my ass. i thought the tl was actually a pretty cool twin but never got a chance to ride one, they looked pretty cool tho.