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Sgt. Baker
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http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/three_deepwater_drilling_rigs.html
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Desert Eagle
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Well golly gee, guess I called it.
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Burmonster
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http://forums.offtopic.com/showthread.php?t=4528569
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Mangina
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Sweet, now the US will be supporting fisherman with no jobs and the entire gulf regions oil workers.
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tom37211
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You nailed it!
But I don't think it is a bad thing. Do you have any idea just how many jobs are tied to a healthy ocean? The fishermen and oil workers affected are but 1% if that. If the ocean becomes unusable, the entire Keys are done. There will be no hotels, there will be no restaurants, there will be no recreational diving or fishing, there will be no boats sold or maintenance purchased. Marinas will be closed. The million dollar double wide tailors on ocean access lots will be worth the price of a double wide in a tailor park in Tennessee if that. And that is just one small county in Florida.
It is my hope that gas goes to $8/gallon so the energy issue can actually be addressed. If that means the energy sector is fucked, so be it. They can get in same unemployment line with everyone else from the last 2 years. (I find it interesting the while the conventional wisdom seems to favor compassion for the jobs of oil workers, there was little of that compassion to be found for the jobs of auto workers in other threads.)
I honestly don't care in BP goes bankrupt or even if they are seized and liquidated. Fuck them.
There are things far more important than profit. Preserving and protecting what we have is far more important IMO. To me, it is a no brainer. The ocean creates and sustains life on almost every metaphoric level. Destroy it and we destroy ourselves.
But I don't think it is a bad thing. Do you have any idea just how many jobs are tied to a healthy ocean? The fishermen and oil workers affected are but 1% if that. If the ocean becomes unusable, the entire Keys are done. There will be no hotels, there will be no restaurants, there will be no recreational diving or fishing, there will be no boats sold or maintenance purchased. Marinas will be closed. The million dollar double wide tailors on ocean access lots will be worth the price of a double wide in a tailor park in Tennessee if that. And that is just one small county in Florida.
It is my hope that gas goes to $8/gallon so the energy issue can actually be addressed. If that means the energy sector is fucked, so be it. They can get in same unemployment line with everyone else from the last 2 years. (I find it interesting the while the conventional wisdom seems to favor compassion for the jobs of oil workers, there was little of that compassion to be found for the jobs of auto workers in other threads.)
I honestly don't care in BP goes bankrupt or even if they are seized and liquidated. Fuck them.
There are things far more important than profit. Preserving and protecting what we have is far more important IMO. To me, it is a no brainer. The ocean creates and sustains life on almost every metaphoric level. Destroy it and we destroy ourselves.
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Desert Eagle
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Yup, lots of jobs are tied to a healthy ocean. Just like many jobs are tied to cheap gas/oil.
With $8 a gallon gas, it won't matter much how much fish those fisherman catch if they can't run their boats or load them on tractor trailers to send them to market for people outside for walking distance of the Gulf to buy.
"There are things far more important than profit." Yup. Go set up "tom37211 oil" with your principles and see how far you get.
With $8 a gallon gas, it won't matter much how much fish those fisherman catch if they can't run their boats or load them on tractor trailers to send them to market for people outside for walking distance of the Gulf to buy.
"There are things far more important than profit." Yup. Go set up "tom37211 oil" with your principles and see how far you get.
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seventh circle
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Good.
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DCC
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troll
but yeah you're right. it is good that Obama is causing job loss
but yeah you're right. it is good that Obama is causing job loss
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FunkyMunniez
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no argument.
Auto industry (specifically manufacturing of cars) would nothave shut down our economy like $8 a gallon gas would. $8/gal would most likely mean $10+/gal for diesel which is what your standard freight vehicle runs on. I said it in another thread, probably commenting to you, the shipping industry was struggling to stay alive at $4, at $8/gal, we would be FUCKED.
On top of shipping industry pretty much failing, the price of everything would go up because of the energy that would be needed to produce, package, and ship it. Enjoy your $8/gal fantasy world where its unaffordable to live. I'll stay here in reality.
Auto industry (specifically manufacturing of cars) would nothave shut down our economy like $8 a gallon gas would. $8/gal would most likely mean $10+/gal for diesel which is what your standard freight vehicle runs on. I said it in another thread, probably commenting to you, the shipping industry was struggling to stay alive at $4, at $8/gal, we would be FUCKED.
On top of shipping industry pretty much failing, the price of everything would go up because of the energy that would be needed to produce, package, and ship it. Enjoy your $8/gal fantasy world where its unaffordable to live. I'll stay here in reality.
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Kozzy McKoz
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lol @ $8 gas
no other energy source can do what fossil fuels do now. its not like 8$ gas would suddenly propel green R&D 50 years into the future
we can have both a clean gulf AND a oil producing gulf. just mandate that all wells drilled offshore require a relief well in case of another event like this.
no other energy source can do what fossil fuels do now. its not like 8$ gas would suddenly propel green R&D 50 years into the future
we can have both a clean gulf AND a oil producing gulf. just mandate that all wells drilled offshore require a relief well in case of another event like this.
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Vermincelli
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I don't think the nutcases who want to see higher gas prices to get alternative fuels going (because it would somehow magically force all the poor people to suddenly have thousands of dollars for new cars)
have thought it out.
You're right Funky, the trucking industry can handle up to about $4.50/$5 a gallon, when it goes higher, it would put a majority of the small and medium sized trucking firms out of business. You would see a massive shortage of goods from groceries to heating fuel/gasoline because everything relies on those trucks.
So you eventually end up with a bunch of poor people who can't afford to drive anywhere and then can't afford to buy food because the prices will skyrocket due to lack of supply.
But why bother actually thinking ahead since it's "for the environment".
have thought it out.
You're right Funky, the trucking industry can handle up to about $4.50/$5 a gallon, when it goes higher, it would put a majority of the small and medium sized trucking firms out of business. You would see a massive shortage of goods from groceries to heating fuel/gasoline because everything relies on those trucks.
So you eventually end up with a bunch of poor people who can't afford to drive anywhere and then can't afford to buy food because the prices will skyrocket due to lack of supply.
But why bother actually thinking ahead since it's "for the environment".
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tom37211
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What happens when those very finite resources dry up? Yet another legacy we leave to our grandchildren along with our national debt.
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Desert Eagle
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It's ok, they were supposed to dry up around 1979. Of course again, those were some of the same scientists who said that there was Global Cooling in the '70s too.
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tom37211
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Yep! And those tax cuts are going to pay for themselves in the form of higher revenues any day now.
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Desert Eagle
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Yup.
Remember that when you go to the polls and pull the handle for a (D) or (R) next time too.
Remember that when you go to the polls and pull the handle for a (D) or (R) next time too.
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ballz2wallz
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Sweet! We'll have more unemployment and increased gas prices! YAY~!
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mikejet
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Need for oil > other jobs in that area
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Kozzy McKoz
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We should begin planning and preparing a switchover to renewable fuels now. However it is going to happen overnight at all and should create new jobs instead of killing current ones
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ballz2wallz
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We won't ever run out of oil.
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Desert Eagle
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They should start construction on 300 new nuclear power plants all across the country. They should start construction on about 500,000 new windmills across the country. They should string 5 times as much power grid wire as we have now. Since the tax payers own GM and Chrysler, those who companies should be forced to stop making any new ICE engine vehicles and ONLY make "plug in electric" cars. Any environmentalist who opposes either should be executed. No appeal. Their body left to hang in the town square for the birds to pick.