This is open for debate for those who say the supernatural is absolutely false.?

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The question is "Why do people believe in the supernatural or life after death? It is <my opinion> because these ideas are based on individual perception. Who are we to say that the supernatural does not exist? We all know how the people who existed before Columbus’ time thought that the world was flat. It is only because Columbus returned that the theory of the world being flat was debunked and people were no longer afraid to set their courses for the unknown. In a way the spiritual world is like that flat world that Columbus debunked. Some people look at death like the edge of the world, once they hit that spot that is unknown, their ship of existence is going to go off of the waterfall and they are going to meet oblivion and nonexistence. The truth is that all of the Columbus’s who have experienced death, only a small fraction of them have come back to tell of their tale. The ones who do try to offer us insight to the unknown, because of fear of the paranormal or the realization that we may ultimately be here to serve the purpose of a higher authority than ourselves, we ignore them and throw rationality and the logic of what only we have experienced in our own lives back in their face like a stubborn insult. So how then can we say that these things do not exist? How then can we absolutely say that spirits, paranormal energy, God, Satan, angels, demons, good, bad, rewards, consequences for sinful behavior or any other idea associated with death is false? To deny the possibility of the existence of these things, or to correct or make people feel ashamed of their supernatural opinions, personal perceptions, or religious beliefs is to be closed minded and arrogant.
Can you think of a reason that is not closed minded and biased why these things could not exist?
Still closing yourself off to only the physical world. If their is a supernatural world, just because you can't feel it or don't see it dosn't mean that it isn't there, it is unlikely but there will always be that possibility until we all die and know for sure. On a personal note I still don't understand who some of you are to criticize these people on here who want to hold on to their ideas of the supernatural and their beliefs. Unless you have a PH D. in death, I guess your facts are purely only speculation based on what you yourself can experience.
In no way can you disprove them until you die and find out for yourself. Maybe you might be right. But you absolutely cannot deny them the right to believe without being biased or just plain stubborn in your ways.
 
First: your question says "open for debate" yet I get the distinct impression you are not open-minded about this subject.

As has been pointed out, your Columbus analogy is very flawed. Plato and Aristotle said the world is round. Copernicus and Galileo knew it was.

I am open-minded about the supernatural. I have seen some strange things in my life. That doesn't mean I will believe any wild claim.

Your last question "Can you think of a reason that is not closed minded and biased why these things could not exist?" is a very biased question and not really valid. It isn't close-minded or biased to disbelieve something for which there is no evidence. I don't believe we need to sacrifice humans to make the sun come up like the Mayans did. Am I closed minded? I don't believe in leprechauns. Am I biased?
I don't say they *can't* exist and I don't deny your right to believe in them. I just don't.

Your right about one thing: nobody knows what happens after we die. I don't claim to know.
 
"We all know how the people who existed before Columbus’ time thought that the world was flat. "

A planetary earth, orbiting in space, is described in detail in the opening lines of Ovid's Metamorphoses.

The idea that the earth is flat comes from the Bible, the Greeks and Romans knew better.

If you wish to follow the prejudices and nonsense of a bunch of retard goat-herders in preference to the wisdom of ages - this is your choice.

If I choose to laugh at you, this is mine.
 
By definition, the supernatural is anything that doesn't follow natural laws. So if something natural is affected by the supernatural in any way that violates a natural law, then it is itself not natural.

So in effect, the supernatural can have no effect on the natural, thus making it a moot point whether or not it exists. In effect, you have to decide whether you believe the supernatural or the natural exists, because it appears they are mutually exclusive.
 
All i know is King Saul got busted by GOD for going to the witch of Endor, for advice rather then to HIM, so if withcraft is in the Bible then it must be real.
 
If the supernatural exists, it seems to not be reproducible in any controlled or meaningful circumstance. It also can't be unequivocally filmed. It can't offer even on iota of physical evidence.

btw, all the can be said for any deities, too.
 
I agree that it's entirely possible that supernatural stuff might exist, but I won't take anyone else's word for it, I need first-hand proof.

That might be a stumbling block for many people who are similarly skeptical, but since none of us can pour ourselves into the eyes, ears, the entire perceptive matrix of another human being, that's where we're at.

Saying that such does exist beyond a shadow of a doubt is similarly dubious.
 
The record by brooks and dunn "I Believe" says it best:
"I may not be able to cite you chapter and verse, but;
I know, it does not all end, in a slow riding Hurst."
 
God has always existed? God exists without a creator and so is supernatural?

God created the multiverse, including hundreds, or thousands of galaxies, black holes, supernovae, dark matter etc. etc?

So now imagine a human scientist looking through a microscope at flesh eating disease. Many humans exist, but very few look at flesh eating disease. The scientist thinks the disease is gross and also fascinating.

So why would gods who created such a wondrous universe care about pathetic, nasty, short lived humans? The gods would care about how we lived?

Does the human try to tell the disease how it should live?

Not logical. I think there are no gods. If there was some kind of vast intelligence in space, it would not care about us.
 
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