So...after this morning, can we expect symbian devices to plumet in price?

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Devices like, say the n8? I'm not talking about the expected or "regular" devaluation of any electronic gadget, but a more aggressive one like one that woudl be caused when they announce the OS is pretty much going to be phased out.
 
I think dutch is exactly right here. Nokia is going to keep trying to sell Symbian devices as if they had a future to offer consumers. The question is whether they will buy. I believe not.

Microsoft and Nokia opened a huge door for Google to the emerging world today.
 
Because Symbian has/had a tremendous and still-growing user base. Nokia sold 28.5M Symbian devices last quarter. There are probably 150-200M Symbian devices in the market. Given the knowledge that Symbian is all but dead, those are now customers that will potentially be divided up amongst other products whereas previously they might have continued to buy Symbian.

Now, some may continue to purchase Symbian products until they are no longer available - the N8 is still without compare in terms of imaging, for example, so people will probably continue to buy it. Some may pick Windows Phone 7. Some will pick Apple. Some will pick Android, etc.

Given Nokia's demographic of smartphone buyers, I believe that Google stands to capitalize to to a much greater extent than any other platform because there is a very wide spectrum of Android devices available to satisfy consumers in both emerging markets where cost is a concern and in developed markets where features and specifications are a concern.

Neither Apple nor Microsoft nor anyone else in the industry satisfies low-end customers. That was Nokia's domain where Google was barging in. Now they don't need to barge. Just walk on in.
 
Nobody bought Nokia phones for Symbian. They'll keep selling the way they were before, while Android continues to grow massively.



Anyone who picks the N8 for imaging will pick the Nokia Windows Phone for the same reason, since it's the hardware not the software they're buying it for.



Which is why Symbian already wasn't a barrier to them to begin with.



You obviously weren't paying attention to Android's 888.8% growth. That was with Nokia in there, it's not like Android could grow any faster with Symbian out of the way.
 
im sure price point and the very new release of them has something to do with the small S3 numbers. not to mention that the lack of promotion of the devices has something to do with it as well.
 
not to doubt you, but where? i havent seen it. no US carrier stocks it. i know you are in canada, not to say that in other parts of the world it is promoted, but in the USofA, its non existent. i never heard of it until i started looking on nokias website, a website that i have never seen in years because no nokia buzz was put into my ear. the most i did was search on ebay for a communicator and was interested in the E90 but no 3g in the usa does not work for me
 
Neither of those things are correct. Some people do buy Nokia phones for Symbian. You've no doubt heard from many today. Android will continue to grow, but at an ever declining rate.


Which phone is that, exactly? If I need a phone today and not in a year, and imaging is a priority for me, then which phone would I buy? Moreover, there are attributes in which WP7 cannot even come close to matching the convenience or power of Symbian (yet?).



No, that's precisely why. There was competition at the bottom end. Now, for all intents and purposes, there isn't.


Android will never achieve any such growth again because now the law of big numbers comes into play. Nokia had a highly established product. It would have been impossible for it to gro 888% because it was already shipping tens of millions of units when Android was shipping zero. Now that Android is established, you'll see growth that's more in line with smartphone growth at large as opposed to growth that vastly trumps the remainder of the industry because the numbers being compared against for the previous year are not microscopic.
 
Nah, they're just fanboys in denial.




If you need it today, there are plenty of options from various manufacturers, and yeah, the N8 works if you need it right now.



Symbian wasn't competition. It was just sitting there. There's a reason Samsung and Sony Ericsson ditched it. Hell, Samsung had two of the best Symbian phones out, but couldn't get any traction with them.



That's beside the point, Android was growing as much as it possibly could. You're right it won't grow like that again, but that's without Symbian in the picture at the low end. They grew the most they ever could with Symbian still around.
 
Just for the sake of argument, throw out an example. The N8's imaging capabilities are as big an attractor now as they were yesterday. As for devices like the C7, C6-01 and E7...


Just sitting there selling 28.5M units last quarter. How can you not understand that those are sales that would have otherwise gone to other platforms if Symbian truly wasn't competition? Now that it's infinitely less competitive than it was yesterday because its future is sealed, lots of sales will indeed go to other platforms.


The first and second sentences in this comment doesn't make any sense. As for the third, are you being purposely dense? They grew the most they ever could (I assume you mean on a percentage basis because they could ostensibly grow more on a unit basis in the future) because they came from nothing. If Symbian wasn't competing, Android would have grown even faster. Now that it's effectively not competing anymore, Android is IMO most likely to absorb would-have-been Symbian customers.
 
so by price point you mean nokia can only sell cheap symbian smartphones.

Here in Europe Nokia's marketing is much more aggressive than apple and android yet they still can't seem to compete.
 
They were never appealing to begin with, unless you wanted a phone with good reception and a good keyboard for messaging.



Those sales wouldn't have gone to other competitors because that's over 20 million sales to people who weren't interested in a smartphone.



They grew the most they could despite Symbian being present. Symbian is a non-issue for Android. It's zero competition. Symbian offers as much competition to Android as the LG Flick or Samsung Gravity Touch.



Nah, they'll just as likely go for Nokia S40 devices.
 
not exactly, by pricepoint i mean subsidized by a carrier. remember, most people dont want to pay 500 bucks for a phone when they get the hype for less than that, in a local store, and they can actually play with the phones. nokia, has a limited number of stores in the USA if any, sells them unsubsidized except for a few models....where would most people go? not to say motorola has a stores or htc, etc but go to your local tmo store, you will see one phone on display, the E73.

nokia could have done just fine with symbian if it was actually PROMOTED better and they made more fart apps like android and iOS, and made the interface a little more attractive and flashy looking. sadly, people are attracted to flashy overhyped crap, see iphone for example.
 
Nokia is subsidised in europe on all carriers, they just can compete with apple, android, or blackberry.
In finland, nokia's home turf, the iphone has over 20% marketshare (as of june 2010).
So apperantly even the finnish like fart apps and flashy looking interface
 
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