For example when I attempt a rational discourse on certain topics, I find I come across individuals that are quick to bring dogma into the equation, dogma that attempts to close down further discourse. Also, I find that these individuals do not want to deduce anything logically, that their wish is to end the discourse with their latest dogma as the conclusion.
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A prime example:
(you don't need this bit to answer the question, but as a supplementary to the answers, it is help to me to get advice from understanding people, on this issue. And it would be nice to know from some Jews that agree with me, that: reason should rule.)
evaluation on anything Jewish, if it is not pleasing to Jews, there are usually a few that apply dogma to end the discourse, with all sort of accusation. Even when I am been my nicest, and most considerate self, I get abuse from paranoid and mistrusting Jews. I do not and never do mean this in relation to every single Jew, I just mean the ones that meet certain patterns of behaviour, so I am judging based on behaviour, and I do not prejudge them just because they are Jewish. And just because I talk critically of Jews, the noun "Jews" does not have to mean every single Jew, it just has to mean the ones that meet the patterns of behaviour I describe.
I just attempt to explore the validity of their religion, their culture, their history, and I explore all the folklore and legend conjured up through history regarding them, even today one could say conspiracy theories and propaganda are a form of folklore, myth, and legend.
All I want to do, is evaluate that myth rationally, come to the conclusion in a critical and logical way, why Jews find it offensive I don't know, except that dogma creeps in from their side.
like Jews like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Albert Einstein, etc.. because they are reasonable people, not like the dogmatist. So, you can't say I don't like Jews.
But: do I have to accept all types of behaviour from Jews just because they are Jewish (Philo-Semitism; Jew Love, an inversion of Jew Hate, that Jews are perfect and incapable of flaw)? NO, never, if Jews behave badly it isn't my fault, and it is my right to point it out. And if I am wrong, well, Jews are welcome to correct me with logic, but are not welcome to impose any kind of dogma whether in the name of tolerance, love, morality or any of the mushy stuff. Without logic, none of those things have meaning to me.
So to conclude: I find exploring Jews, Jewish religion, Jewish culture and Jewish Myth(by them and invented by others) in a rational, critical, considered and (to my eyes) decently respectful manner hard. It is difficult when there are individuals, who just happen to be Jewish, try to impose dogma, paranoia and mistrust in an attempt to prevent my rational discourse.
Why can't Jews join me, help me to know them and their people, yet be humble enough to accept criticism, and I will to accept it in return. If you are consequentialist, then the ends are acceptable. If you are deontologist, then my action are sound. And if you follow virtue ethics, my intention comes from a sound heart and is visually evident in my expressions. And anything outside of my control, knowledge or wisdom, any act of foolery but me is not intended, I open to change to change my action and hence the results. So, to rationally critique Jews in my fashion is moral, and if Jews refuse to accept it then it they that act badly in a non-friendly and dogmatic fashion.
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I am a naturalist pan-critical rationalist, yet my mind is open to new arguments from all sides, and I reject dogmatic stances as evil. If I ever do, tell me and I will try to change.
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Oh and as Jews usually bring past questions from me into their answers, just let me say that: I am learning, I make mistakes, but I believe I am learning how to be both critical yet respectful, so when Jews make the claim that all of my attempts at being decent are some kind of mask to hide hate: These are the paranoid and mistrustful kind of which I speak, and I hope that is not characteristic of most other Jews. Plus who really wants to live in a world where reason is not the rule, not me. All dogma is evil. I look forward to rational discourse, however.
Should anything go without some degree of scrutiny, should any dogmatic "yes/no, don't ask" be ever be allowed?
(corrections)
Sorry I made a couple of typos; I might ask this again later.
Most of my other questions are not on Jews, I only decided recently focus on them because I have scrutinised Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc, but why should I stop at Judaism and its consequent culture?
People scrutinise Christians and Muslims, but why not Jews? Does being persecuted in history somehow give a criticism-free card?
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A prime example:
(you don't need this bit to answer the question, but as a supplementary to the answers, it is help to me to get advice from understanding people, on this issue. And it would be nice to know from some Jews that agree with me, that: reason should rule.)
evaluation on anything Jewish, if it is not pleasing to Jews, there are usually a few that apply dogma to end the discourse, with all sort of accusation. Even when I am been my nicest, and most considerate self, I get abuse from paranoid and mistrusting Jews. I do not and never do mean this in relation to every single Jew, I just mean the ones that meet certain patterns of behaviour, so I am judging based on behaviour, and I do not prejudge them just because they are Jewish. And just because I talk critically of Jews, the noun "Jews" does not have to mean every single Jew, it just has to mean the ones that meet the patterns of behaviour I describe.
I just attempt to explore the validity of their religion, their culture, their history, and I explore all the folklore and legend conjured up through history regarding them, even today one could say conspiracy theories and propaganda are a form of folklore, myth, and legend.
All I want to do, is evaluate that myth rationally, come to the conclusion in a critical and logical way, why Jews find it offensive I don't know, except that dogma creeps in from their side.
like Jews like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Albert Einstein, etc.. because they are reasonable people, not like the dogmatist. So, you can't say I don't like Jews.
But: do I have to accept all types of behaviour from Jews just because they are Jewish (Philo-Semitism; Jew Love, an inversion of Jew Hate, that Jews are perfect and incapable of flaw)? NO, never, if Jews behave badly it isn't my fault, and it is my right to point it out. And if I am wrong, well, Jews are welcome to correct me with logic, but are not welcome to impose any kind of dogma whether in the name of tolerance, love, morality or any of the mushy stuff. Without logic, none of those things have meaning to me.
So to conclude: I find exploring Jews, Jewish religion, Jewish culture and Jewish Myth(by them and invented by others) in a rational, critical, considered and (to my eyes) decently respectful manner hard. It is difficult when there are individuals, who just happen to be Jewish, try to impose dogma, paranoia and mistrust in an attempt to prevent my rational discourse.
Why can't Jews join me, help me to know them and their people, yet be humble enough to accept criticism, and I will to accept it in return. If you are consequentialist, then the ends are acceptable. If you are deontologist, then my action are sound. And if you follow virtue ethics, my intention comes from a sound heart and is visually evident in my expressions. And anything outside of my control, knowledge or wisdom, any act of foolery but me is not intended, I open to change to change my action and hence the results. So, to rationally critique Jews in my fashion is moral, and if Jews refuse to accept it then it they that act badly in a non-friendly and dogmatic fashion.
___________
I am a naturalist pan-critical rationalist, yet my mind is open to new arguments from all sides, and I reject dogmatic stances as evil. If I ever do, tell me and I will try to change.
- - - - -
Oh and as Jews usually bring past questions from me into their answers, just let me say that: I am learning, I make mistakes, but I believe I am learning how to be both critical yet respectful, so when Jews make the claim that all of my attempts at being decent are some kind of mask to hide hate: These are the paranoid and mistrustful kind of which I speak, and I hope that is not characteristic of most other Jews. Plus who really wants to live in a world where reason is not the rule, not me. All dogma is evil. I look forward to rational discourse, however.
Should anything go without some degree of scrutiny, should any dogmatic "yes/no, don't ask" be ever be allowed?
(corrections)
Sorry I made a couple of typos; I might ask this again later.
Most of my other questions are not on Jews, I only decided recently focus on them because I have scrutinised Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc, but why should I stop at Judaism and its consequent culture?
People scrutinise Christians and Muslims, but why not Jews? Does being persecuted in history somehow give a criticism-free card?