Sex and intimacy before marriage?

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Tia Terror

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I know that the Bible states that Christians who follow the word of God should consider making love/sexual intercourse before marriage a sin, and that living together outside of marriage is a sin. And I believe masturbation is also a sin if I am correct?

My questions are though... if you masterbate, is it not forgiven easily if seen by God in the sense that yes, we should have more control, but we aren't perfect, so we do mess up at times. And if I am right in assuming (correct me if I am wrong as this is my question) that if a man feels he needs to release this urge, it is better to masturbate than to have sex or rape another person, correct?

Secondly... I know that sex and living together before marriage is a sin. But... to what extent does intimacy a sin. In a sense we should avoid intimacy that can lead to the bedroom and making love, but even simple kissing leads to more intense and passionate kissing which triggers the intimacy and love we all crave as human beings, which in a sense can lead to making love. So to what extent is intimacy a sin? Is kissing a sin? Is holding hands a sin? Or what about caressing your partners arms? Or what about when you caress each other lovingly in a cuddle? Can anyone understand what I mean as I am curious?
I didn't mean it like it was forgiven easily like oh this is better than raping someone so God will forgive me yay! I just meant as in if you masturbated, instead of losing your innocence to someone out of wedlock, I thought personally God would forgive you more readily for that than abusing the sanctity of marriage but forgetting all about it and just having sex for the sake of it.

And to the guy after, the girl who commented said what I meant... about spilling his seed without intention of making a child... it does in a sense mean masturbation does it not? I do understand that we have to have control, and that masturbating will only hold the urge off, but that is better than sex before marriage is it not? I have read the Bible, I am only beginning to start out in the way of God... I mean, I am just about to read Duetoronomy...
 
"I know that the Bible states that Christians who follow the word of God should consider making love/sexual intercourse before marriage a sin..."

It says no such thing. Have you never actually read the bible? Are you just going by what some pastor/preacher told you? Because it's a fact: it says no such thing. It also says NOTHING in any way, shape, or form about masturbation.

There are places in the bible where it calls "fornication" a sin. But "fornication" is NOT "sex before marriage." For most of the time in Hebrew culture covered by the bible, there wasn't even any such thing as a "marriage" -- no ceremony, no being blessed by a priest, no vows, nothing. The way a man "took" a wife was to take a woman (sometimes by negotiating with her father or family to pay a price for her), and have sex with her. That's it. It's the sex act that they considered making a woman a man's wife, nothing else. No "marriage."

What "fornication" refers to is when a man takes a woman and has sex with her, if he does not AFTER that treat her as his wife, he has committed "fornication." The "sin" is not treating the woman as your wife, not the sex act.

You might want to actually read the bible (and a bit about Hebrew customs and culture and history) before stating what it "says." Because you're completely wrong. :)

Not that I personally care, as the bible is a bunch of silly ancient superstitions with no application to the modern world...but at least get it right.

Peace.
 
There is actually nothing in Scripture against masturbation.
Self-control is still permissible
I am pleased I waited for my wife
 
I see one phrase that is wrong: "forgiven easily" - no! Jesus had to pay the ultimate sacrifice - that was NOT easy; and nowhere does the Bible teach "Greasy Grace" or "sloppy Agape".

Paul asked to questions: "Should we continue to sin because we are under grace?" and "should we continue in sin because we are not under Law?"

To both of these, he gave an emphatic, "God forbid! NO!"

Going into sin with the attitude that you can be forgiven later is taking advantage of God's grace and "rubbing it in" - crucifying Christ afresh.

All the Old Testament prophets cried out, "REPENT!"
John the baptizer cried out "Bring fruit meet for repentance" (i.e. PROVE you have repented).
Paul the apostle cried out "REPENT!"
In the book of Revelations, it says to repent; and
Jesus, talking to the prostitute, told her "I do not condemn you; now, go and SIN NO MORE!" (i.e. REPENT!)

You asked "to what extent does intimacy a sin" - anything that arouses desire that COULD lead to sin, IS sin. If you deliberately do things that cause you to lust, you are guilty of lust; and Jesus said this is the same as adultery.

Furthermore, Jesus said that if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. (This was said immediately after he talked about lust being the same as adultery.)

This is always a tough topic, because it is so ingrained in our very nature; but if Jesus - our example - did not sin when he was tempted, then we should call upon Him to give us the strength we need to not sin when WE are tempted.

Hope this insight helps - even if just a little.
 
Religion is all about controlling people and their lives. One of the most basic instincts is to have sex, so it's only natural that religion wants to be in total control of that too.
 
It's supposedly a sin for a man to spill his seed without the the intent to make a baby, but if guy's don't masturbate, they have nocturnal emissions (wet dreams). So that's pretty much BS. Christians came up with this crap because they want to be high and mighty and feel superior to everyone else. Masturbation and sex is actually really healthy for you, has a plethora of benefits to your body, and it is human nature to crave sex and intimacy. I personally don't think any of it is a sin. But I know many Christians who believe kissing before marriage is a sin.
 
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