Plucking up the courage to Jack...

marylovesyou

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Folks,

I don't know about anyone else but I've come to realise that I really don't want RealOne/Kinoma/Photos presume I can still us AI?!)/Versamail taking up my memory. I'd also like to move some other progs to somewhere else to free up more space (getting very greedy...). I realise that using Jack Spratt/Flash is not for the feeble minded like me, but can anyone give me some good advice on what's best to move/delete and what is best left well alone.

I've looked at the other threads but there really isn't an 'idiot's' guide, which is what I'm after.

Any assistance as always greatly appreciated, and if there is something out there which already answers my question, please feel free to re-direct me.

My money is on PTL answering first!

Dropshort
 
Felt exactly the same as you. Didn?t use JS or JF for year and a half. Now I wouldn?t be without them. They have built in safeguards and restore features so it is hard to mess up. Jask Sprat is easy, it just lists the programs and you delete them. There are previous posts that even have lists of programs and their site does as well in the info that comes with the program. Jack Flash is a little more complicated, but still hard to mess up even for me. Definitely, they both do exactly as advertised, and the result is more free space in RAM. Couple JF with a lot of my programs on the SD card and space is no longer even a consideration. I would strongly advise reading the info at their web-site, contact tech support if necessary, and use it cautiously, and intelligently. With all the space you do save you don?t have to force any programs into Flash. At the first sign of trouble with one move it back to RAM. Second, note that calculators and clocks do not do well in Flash, generally. I am sure there are some, but as a rule they don?t. Also I have ended up leaving Splash Photo, Splash ID and Splash Clock in RAM (so I just moved them to my SD card with almost the same as if moved to Flash. It does save space. Any further questions, look back at earlier inquiries or at the Brayder Web site.
Richard
 
The new 3.0b5 Jack Sprat has been out one week and I DID NOT "alert the media" as JS has had more than its share of "bashing" on here. DrBaer is right - it's God's gift. BE SURE AND HAVE THIS LATEST VERSION BEFORE PROCEEDING, although I used 3.0b4 just fine.

DrBaer has really been my only ally in the JackSprat thing - very few people are as "nuts" about it as the good "Doctor" and "myself" for good reason -- it is a risk.

I freed up 10MB by dumping VersaMail, Photos (although the conduit remains on the PC and can't be deleted), Kinoma (updated version put back into Flash later), RealPlayer, LANGUAGES (there's 4MB right THERE!), calculator (I have 3 others), QuickTour, Welcome, and some other crap. Most important to me was getting Docs2Go out of ROM and installing the NEWEST upgrade - PalmOne should NEVER have put these things like Kinoma, R/Player and Docs2Go in ROM when updates are coming out every 5 minutes.

I'll email you, DS and send you some stuff in chart form. I've put together more support info than other documentation available. This isn't because I'm "clever" or anything -- I just love the app!!

Brayder have now (I think) isolated the T3 flash chip bug which was causing SOME people problems on the T3 SOME of the time - the first 3.0b3 beta I had required a ROM REFLASH - big blue flash, programs everyewhere, unit dead - and I STILL WENT BACK for 3.0b4 and DID IT AGAIN. I now have 3.0b5 in the arsenal but don't have anything else to delete!! JackFlash is FLAWLESS on my unit and JackSafe has brought me back with EVERYTHING after 3 subsequent HARD RESETS.

That minimizes what you have on your backup card in terms of file size - I have TWO separate and distinct backup files and the total is only 10MB on the card TOTAL - thanks to flash.

HOWEVER: in light of SOS's warning about "you have been warned," that is a very correct and serious statement - this isn't a game of "pong." Do something incorrectly (like press "ok" too quick because the flash chip tells you you're "done" when you're not -- that was part of the flash chip bug that Brayder have fixed!!) - you could get the white screen of death because it wasn't finished "writing."

It is also IMPERATIVE in my view that WHENEVER YOU MOVE something in or out of flash, you PERFORM A SOFT RESET. Don't ask. Just do it. It's better that way or you may get an odd "semi white screen" which requires hitting rear button twice - "Crash" won't kick in & help.

Most important - as DrBaer said, GO SLOW and be methodical. Make a list FIRST of what you want to pull (languages come out first), and try to get it all on the first "application swipe;" it is subsequent reloading of Sprat that sometimes gave people problems (not me). Then delete JackSprat from the handheld.

Follow instructions for JackFlash but they're a little sketchy on one point: INSTALL JACKSAFE FIRST as soon as JackFlash is ready to start loading apps in to flash. I seem to recall adding it "7th or 8th" and ended up moving things OUT OF FLASH and back to RAM so I could install JackSafe properly. J/Safe is your safety net in case of catastrophic failure - hard reset and ALL THE APPS COME back, although you'd still need to restore "Saved Preferences" from backup (they can't be stored in flash) to register all your stuff. Look in your File Manager and you'll see a 20k or so file called JSafe Protect" or something like that - you know then it's on there for good. I keep JackSafe in a separate-from launcher- folder on the card - but not accessible or launchable from the Palm itself. Just to be "Jack Safe safe." Of course, you can't install JackSafe in "arrears;" it has to be on there at the time of failure to do it's job - you can't say "Hey! Time Out! I wanna upt JackSafe in now!" You're screwed.

You'll be happy to know that ALL TEALPOINT apps except TealLock work FANTASTIC IN flash, by the way. Since Dropshort is a TP convert now, that alone should save a couple of MEG!!
 
Sorry for dropping the ball on this one Dropshort. I know I promised a guide for using JS/JF. I still have all the original material on my Palm (screenshots, typed text), but I lost the (near) finished formatted copy in a HDD crash, and after I came back from that, life made me forget about it altogether until I read your post. I will still try to get the guide finished up as soon as I can. Sorry I let it get away from me:(
 
Folks,

As always your advice is great, and there is no reason to apologise for not putting together a handbook! I really shouldn't be lazy and search the forums, all the infos there.

FYI, I'm now Spratted and Flashed to the hilt, and if I can do it I reckon most can as well.....should everyone want to? Well that really is a personnal view as others have pointed out, and I have to admit that I've given myself an ulcer worrying over using this (are the benefits really worth it, only time will tell), but that could do with the single malt I was drinking on an empty stomach as I was doing it. I was most concerned about mucking up my T3 and ending up with an expensive paperweight, which I'm glad to say isn't the case in this instance, but as Brayder say themselves it really is up to the user. The biggest challenge in the future will be the upgrading of products, as developers seem to have an aversion to labelling files clearly (well to my eyes anyway), which will make moving them back to RAM 'interesting'.

BTW what the hell is WP_P2P & SS_P2P I know they have something to do with D2G but can't remember what. Now I've only got one version (in flash) can I just do away with them? My stylus is hovering over the delete option......

Thanks again for the great assistance!

Dropshort
 
You have to get rid of the "Docs To Go Extras" in flash, and that will remove the original flash versions of them. Then move the NEW ones from the upgrade to flash. Don't delete the new ones you have stored in RAM, you need the new versions for the upgraded version of the program to work right.
 
PalmTealLover - you said to Dropshot



However, he seems made of sterner stuff than I and went ahead anyway, whilst I am still dithering! If you have the info handy, I'd really appreciate having a look.

Ryetee
 
Palm TealLover

Please allow me to line up too for the information You have compiled.
I have been looking all over the net for ryber's handbook, now I know, why I have not found it.
The direct information on Brayders website seems to be a little out of date, so every recent information will be great.
Thank You in advance
(My mailadress is in my profile)
 
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