ot; good to see China taking population control seriousley;

Kunmui

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Forced abortion of children - it is time! 8 BILLION peoples
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You're late.

China has enforced a one-child policy for at least 20 years. They have a
huge problem with the ratio of males to females as a result. The last I
heard, there were almost 10 males of marrying age for every female.
 
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On Jan 28, 3:47 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

According to Albert Fung, the figures are like 35 to 1.


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Even a ratio of 10 to 1 is a serious problem, if 35 to 1 is accurate, then
the problem is even worse.
 
On Jan 28, 3:51?pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

Just tell any girl you like that you're from America. You can always
get a girl if you're from America. They married you and divorced you
in two years.
 
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On Jan 28, 3:51 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

Just tell any girl you like that you're from America. You can always
get a girl if you're from America. They married you and divorced you
in two years.


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That is true in most of the world. There are a few notable exceptions, but
it is almost universally true...
 
On 29/01/2011 10:51 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
You need to read the stats a little more closely. The figures aren't
35:1 but have been as high as 135:100. That makes a ratio of 1.35 to 1
rather than 35 to 1. These figures are related to births in a given year
and figures for 2008 and 2009 are readily available on the internet. A
ratio of 135:100 is still problematical for the future of China.

The ratios can vary city by city and province by province. The eastern
city of Lianyungang has one of the worst ratios with, according to a BBC
report, 163.5 boys for every 100 girls four years old or younger. The
family planning group reports that 99 cities out of 125 surveyed had
ratios higher than 125-100. Note that these ratios aren't for births in
a given year but cover the age range 0 through 4

Krypsis
 
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A ratio of 1.35:1 isn't a particular problem in any society. That's dead
even for any practical purpose. I had read that the ratio was more like 5:1
or 7:1, and I have never heard of 35:1 until it was posted here.

But China already has a one-child policy that effectively curbs population
growth. The problem is that males are more valuable to a farming economy
than females, so there is a significant amount of selective abortion going
on where the female children are aborted and male children are carried full
term. This has lead to societal problems where there are loads of men ready
to marry, but no women for them to get married to.

In a polygamous society, there is an advantage of multiple wives, but there
is never an advantage to multiple husbands. A man with many wives can have
many children, but a woman can only have one child at a time no matter how
many husbands she has. I'm not suggesting that China is a polygamous
society, I am only illustrating how there can be a problem with 5 or 10 men
for each woman as opposed to 5 or 10 women to each man.






There is something wrong here because with a one-child rule it would seem
that the ratio of males to females would be far greater than 1.65:1. A ratio
that close would have to be almost ideal in terms of maintaining a gene pool
that would be diverse and still support a single child per couple.

Your data does not fit the data that I have read that says the ratio is more
like 5:1, males:females. Perhaps what I read was about people of
marrying/child bearing age. If your data is about children, then this means
that in 20 years there will be equal numbers of men and women to marry and
have kids, and my data set says that today there is a serious imbalance. I
wish I had a citation handy, but there is something amiss between the
studies you read and those that I have read.
 
On 30/01/2011 5:48 AM, Jeff Strickland wrote:
Even 5:1 is a whole lot different to 35:1. A ratio of 35:1 is disaster
in any country and would see women traded as an extremely valuable
commodity.

A ratio of 5:1 is still a massive gender imbalance but even a ratio of
135:100 is still quite problematical in terms of female availability for
marriage. The Philippines has a gender imbalance as well, but with far
too many females, in the order of 3:1 in the main and higher in some
regional areas. This imbalance runs afoul of the Catholic imperative to
marry and have children. For many women in the Philippines, marriage
isn't an option and explains why so many Filipinas migrate overseas to
marry.

So, in summary, I am afraid your ratio of 35:1 isn't borne out by any
facts I can find.

Krypsis
 
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35:1 isn't my ratio, and it's not borne out by any facts that I have either.
Another poster gave that number, I have no support for it at all. I only
agreed with him that if 5:1 is a problem, then 35:1 has to be even more of a
problem. Of course, if your only concern is birth control, then 35:1 is
probably a good figure, but if you were concerned with at least a stable
population and not a drastically decining one, then you would want a
male:female ratio more like 3:1, and that is a ratio that should actually
lead to population declines. In the realm of birth control, the goal is
usually at least a stable population, not one that is declining.

I believe China has or will have soon a declining population due to the fact
that there are vastly more males than females. China is heading for trouble.

I'd like to say that 135:100 is the same as 1.35:1; the decimal place is
moved, that is all. I agree that 5:1 or more (and I think I have read 7:1 at
the high end) is a serious problem.
 
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