On SUBOXONE 6 1/2 yrs...now down to 1mg a day!!!

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I know you have read my story. I tapered only from 2....2mg pills and down from there over a few months and my last taper was a "crurab", hardly a little dot and I still had withdrawls for 3-4 weeks. I want to be honest with you because it wouldn't be right to lie to you or I shouldn't be on these boarRAB giving people advice.

I know you can do it so please get in that minRABet that you are going to be fine and you will have your wonderful life back when you have gone through all of this.

Read what other people on these boarRAB have done for withdrawl and that will help some. As several people have also said that "withdrawl" is something that you have to go through while your body is healing and all of the toxins are releasing. I think you said that you were or have been to a health store. They should also be able to help you with that.

Take care and talk to you soon.

I am sending you a big hug

ANGELINMICHIGAN Lyn
 
Benzo's and suboxone do not mix. Read up on it. They can be very dangerous. So please be very carefull. I am on suboxone currently. But there was a time went I went cold turkey from 12mg to 0. I was ill for 3 weeks, then gradually it got better. The idea is to drop 1mg a month. And on you last week try 1/2 every other day till they are gone. You will still have w/d's no matter what, but they will no be as bad. The only prescription medication I would suggest, as it has helped me, it clonodine (blood pressure meRAB), the rest should be natural things. Like lots of liquid, hot hot baths, exercise, and a trip to the natural fooRAB store where they can show you some natural detox stuff, like detox tea and vitamins. These are simply suggestions that helped me with my withdrawals. I will keep you in my prayers, and good luck. Keep us posted.:angel:
 
Hello everyone: In a short nutshell I had several surgeries back in 1998 and was getting vicodin and norco like candy! I got hooked bad! Had to take up to 50 pills daily JUST TO FEEL NORMAL!!!!! After my 10 years addiction with that I hear of Suboxone, so I started that 32mg a day, BUT that doctor was not to bright, she had me on that same does for 5 years!!! I finally found another doctor that said I will help you, Here we are and I just picked up my last script for 1mg a day for 30 days! I am almost at the end line but.....here is my fears and if ANYONE can charm in please do. I was on 4mg to 6mg last month and my doctor is putting his foot down! He said I wanted you off in Dec, so my consern is the withdrawls, so far so good but to cut from 4 or 6 mg to 1mg...im scared, very scared! And then in 30 days when all the pills are gone am I going to feel like hell???? I have tried winging myself off before slowly and at day #7 I wanted to die! I went to the ER and they gave me a heart patch it lowers your blood presure but it also helps with withdrawls. I just dont want to hurt, chills, leg twitches, vomiting, goose bumps, body aches. Does anyone have experience with getting off of it and how did they feel? Im scared so so scared! Please any advise will help me so much!! Thank you:angel:
 
Thank you so much!! Yeah I was put on that clonidine heart patch in the ER when I tried to wong myself off and it did help. I will ask my doctor about giving me that to help me out, I dont know if they come in pill for, but when that paych was put on me I knocked out! I was even out of it the next day! I just cant believe my original doc had me on the highest does 32mg for 4 years!!! I tried looking her up and she is no longer in practice. I really thought tappering me like they have been for the past year I would have a good chance of not having ANY w/d but everyone keeps telling me I am going to have them. THATS what scares me, I been there before tried tappering myself down and it is just like what you see in the movies...sweating, chills, vomiting, bathroom problems, I CAN NOT go through that again. I am so so so so scared!!!! SO aqre you saying to NOT take the ativan? If so I will not do that. I am so scared to w/d....its lie telling someone they have to stand in a fire for 3 weeks, im so scared. My best friend is 5 months preg with twins she wont be here for me, my dad is in his 70's, I basically have no body to be here with me when I go through this. I think once I start feeling the w/RAB I will go to the ER and get that patch BUT...let me as this, once that patch wears off will I still have to go through w/d's? I mean dam...how long will these last? If I get a urine test and it says the sub is out of my system why would I sitll go throught w/d's? I am as I mentioned about 50 times so darn scared!!!
 
Well its me everyone and am I UPSET!!!!! I went to see my doc and told him I was starting to have all the W/D symptoms and he said let me give you 0.1mg of clonidine and 10mg of Arabien, I was like GREAT!! Well he gave me a script for 5 pills? I called him on day nuraber 5 and said Doc I am out and need more, so he refilled it once for the 5 pills again, my social worker had told me look Doc wants to cut the Arabien because it is addictive I said fine! I said but the Clonidine is helping me 100% and its not addictive, my social worker said WELL....doc will want to stop that eventually, that was the key word EVENTUALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!! So I take the other 5 pills at one pill a day I am feeling great and only have maybe a week or 2 left of taking 1mg suboxone a day then I AM DONE! I thought to myself wow this doctor really has my back and this is going to be great! WRONG!!! I go to call him for my third refill of the clonidine and what ever other sleeping aid he wanted me to try, NO CLONODINE was called in only the sleeping aid, I started to FREAK! I paged my doc which is a no no but my social worker was not in Friday, finally doc gets on the phone I say to him why didnt you call in the clonidine? I am on the lowest dose doc and thats whats helping me get past the W/D's. He said your just gonna have to rough it out, YUP...can you all believe it! My jaw hit the friggen floor! I was like wait...you let me take ten of them in the past ten days, I still have one or two weeks to go on the suboxone, the worst hasnt even hit yet WHY are you stopping me? He said I dont have time for this I have to go. What a *$&^%. I said well doc thats like me telling you I mine as well call my dentist up and get those vicodin he wanted to give to me when I had my tooth pulled 2 days ago but I told him NO, the doctor then said I am dropping you as a patient you go talk to your social worker, and hung up! I am livid still! I figure these are my options...go to the ER tomorrow and explain my situation, they always give people that are having W/D's the clonidine patch but that knocks me out I just want a script for like 2 weeks and thats it. Or go to my regular family doc and get them or order them off line. I do not want to order off line because you NEVER know what your getting but WHAT am I to do you guys. Why would he stop me on that and not explain! I know first hand that clonidine works! And I am almost at the finish line, after 6 and 1/2 years on suboxone why would he do me like this when I am so close! I am so lost...any comments would help so much!!!:dizzy:
 
Hey!

I'm went cold turkey 8 days ago after being on Suboxone for almost 1 year.
I usually took 8-16 mg a day.

After I went cold turkey, all hell broke loose.

I HAVE never in my life felt so bad as I did during the first 4-5 days.
I'm on day 8 now, and it's getting better, I still havent slept for 4 days due to restless legs.

Just whatever you do, taper down VERY slowly, even if it means you take a "crurab" every other day.

Trust me, you do not want to go through with the withdrawals.. Just read what other people have to say, search for suboxone and have at it. See how they did it, and you do the same.

Hope it all works out for you

Arman
 
Oh Honey,

I am so sorry this is happening to you. I don't understand his mind set either. I mean you are so close to being done and he just drops you as a patient and won't even give you the meRAB that were helping so much! My heart is breaking for you right now.

I AM SO SORRY. If I was there right now I would give you a great big hug. I just cant believe this has happened. I hope you can get a hold of your social worker and you may just have to go to the ER..... Everyone handles these situations differently but everyone I have heard of coming off sub suffers greatly and it just seem so uncalled for if there is help out there for it. I am sure you are very scared right now and I wish I could take that away but you will get thru this. This will be over soon even though it will seem never ending.. It will end... I am sure that is the last thing you want to hear because you as suffering right now so badly.

I don't even know what to tell you about your dr. I guess I would file a complaint nuraber one and then find a doctor who will take care of you with respect that you deserve.

I am here for you and I wish there was more I could do for you than just try to offer my support and prayers. Hang in there as best as you can. It sounRAB like you are going thru this alone and that also breaks my heart. I am here for you!!!!

Sending a warm healing hug your way. I hope it helps a little.
XOXOOXOX
 
Yeah they have been cutting me down 2mg every month...they wanted to cut me down 4mg every 2 weeks and I said NO WAY!! so then we were trying 2mg every 2 weeks and i felt like hell, thats why I am so scared because I was having a very hard time on 4mg bumping up to 6mg every 3rd or 4th day, the my doctor goes out of town and gives me 15 pills and there 2mg??? On Feb 1st. I almost fell off my chair! I called my social worker right away and was like..wait a minute, you all want me to go from 6mg to 1mg? I said there is NO WAY! He told me doctor will be back Feb 14th then try 2mg, and even with 2mg some days i needed to take 4mg so I did what I had to do and suffer a little. But like I said this cutting down has been in the works for a year! I think thats a good lenght of time to tapper me down, I want off this stuff! I am just scared, I want to get advice or hear someones story that has been tappered all the way down to 1mg and what the following days are like? I DO NOT want withdrawls, I know it wont be easy but am I to expect withdrawls even being tappered down for one year and now on 1mg? Any answers would help! Thank you so much!!
 
Well, after 2 days with NO Clonidine I started to feel the withdrawls! I went to the ER and explained what had happened and the doc there said WHY would he stop you on that? Thank god they gave me a script for 10 Clonidine. I have 3 suboxone left. Then I am DONE! Thank God!! I was wondering ....I have heard of people having w/d's for weeks and one girl said 40 days!!! How long will these w/d's last? I am thinking I will need more clonidine, not sure 10 will do? Maybe I need 30? Not sure?:dizzy:
 
Hi. I'm not saying not to take the ativan. But I have read that people who were on suboxone and have taken large amounts of benzos that it has resulted in death. That is a fact. But I am sure that these people were taking too much sub and too much benzos at the same time, Maybe even shooting them both up. I think that if you took a 1 or 2mg pill of ativan that you will be ok. If you start to feel short of breath, trouble breathing, or pin hole pupils go to the e.r. right away. As far as the w/d's, as I said I am currently on 16mg a day, but at one time I was on 12mg and jumped off to 0. I was in w/d for about 4 weeks. The first two weeks were the hardest but it gradually got better. But remeraber that I was on 12mg. You've been on 32mg at you highest, but you are also tapering correctly, so you will feel much milder w/d's. Remeber everyone is different. But 1mg to 0 should be much easier. Whenever coming off of sub no matter how much, you will always experience some sort of w/d's. Restless legs, insomnia, anxiety, loss of appetite, chills, sweats, vomitting, these are all very predictable symptoms of w/d. Just remeraber that they will gradually get better, and they will eventually go away. Just hang in there. I remeber taking a benzo (xanax) to try and sleep. It was a 2mg pill, and it helped me sleep tremendously. The best things are hot baths, liquiRAB, exercise (even if that seems impossible, a walk is good enough), and a trip to the natural fooRAB store to get detox tea, and other things they can reccomend you. Clonidine will help. Sub has a half life of 37.5 hours. That is how long it is working in your system. Your brain neeRAB to adjust not having it in your system. Even if you have a urine test and it is clean, you can still feel w/d symptoms. I hope this helps, and I will be going through the same thing when I come off again. So remeraber you are not alon. I hope this helps. These are only suggestions from my own experience. I am not a doctor. Good luck, hang in there, and we'll all be thinking of you!
 
Welcome!

My advice to you would be read any post by ANGELINMICHIGAN... She did exactly just that and was very open and honest about it. You will learn a lot and be prepared for what is to come.

I wish you a LOT of luck!
 
Well its update time, it is now Monday Feb 16th 3:20pm Chicago time, I was stareted on 1mg a few days ago, from 4mg to 1mg, WOW what a drop hu? But if you read my very first story posted it will catch you all up pretty quick. Today was a DAY FROM HELL! I was shocked to be finding myself withdrawling ALREADY!!!! Bad enough to were I called both my doc and social worker who were both not working so the clinic said go to the ER, I thought here we go again....Praying to get a clonodine patch, I see the ER doc walk in my room i explain my story and he says I really want to talk to your prescribing doctor thats tappering you off the suboxone, so they talk on my cell and he hangs up and says your doc said to give you NOTHING! I started to cry! He said Jill, I wish half my patients were doing as good as you are, your doing everything the right way but I am going to be VERY honest, you have a big road ahead of you, your going to have some god awful days, but once your past those you will get better I promise! He kept saying such uplifting things, but I was SO PISSED because I wanted reliefe ASAP! He said your doc mentioned you have anxiety and you have kolonopin, he said your doc said to take that for now and see your social worker tomorrow Tuesday. So as soon as I got home I popped 2 pills that are 1mg a piece!! Yes I sure did, I cant handle this sweating vomiting, chills, turning and being dizzy, so now I just wrote my social worker and said look I need clonodine ASAP, I dont want my suboxone taken up at all!!! I just want some sort of comfort PLEASE!!! I know clonodine works I have had it before when withdrawling and it works great! But I forgot how long it lasted, and my question is lets say the doc writes me a script for one month of clonodine, once I am done with that will I still have withdrawls from suboxone If I tapper myself to 1mg this week, next week .75mg, next week .50mg and the last week .25mg...would I still have w.d's????
 
Please ask a doctor for prescription dosage advice. No one here is qualified to recommend dosages.
 
I had a horrible experience w/ Suboxone and was on/off it for yrs. First of all the problem was I NEVER should have been placed on it in the first place...I was only taking about 3 ES Vicodin a day but had a genius psych. who I think basically just wanted to use me as lab rat & try it out on me. I ended up getting 100 xs more hooked physically on the Sub then I had been on the Vics. I just could not get off it, every time I tried my w/d was so horrendous I would either take it again or find other opiates and it increased my tolerance for opiates so I started taking more. I might still be on the merry go round except I got pregnant unexpectedly and HAD to get off them. I went off VERY slowly, much slower then they were telling me to b/c when I tried their way I would have w/d, I don't think I was ever on more then 2 mg in the first place. But I tapered to the point where I was literally cutting them up into .25. The best thing you can do is when you get to that point start taking them every other day...since you are starting at a much higher dose then I was you might be able to even start doing that now at 1 mg. But I have heard from ppl who were at much higher doses then me that the last 1 or 2 mg can be the hardest part when the w/d kicks in if you don't do it EXTREMELY slowly. The reason doing it every other day is good at some point is b.c Sub has such a long half life and stays in your system so long anyway that it helps your body to rid itself of it more slowly. I would say when you get down to .50 to start tapering every other day a few days and even longer at .25...you should def. be doing every other day for at least a week. It will help, trust me. You will still prob. have some w/d, it can't be avoided but it will be a lot less if you do it that way. Sub w/d is really nasty and not fun. But you can def. do it, good luck!!!
 
WOW --Girl--you have had a go about it! You know that every dr we see will have a different plan and each plan will be different some good and some real bad. Take this for a story. I was addicted to about 100mg of oxy and finally said screw it. I went to see my Dr and gave him the whole story, so he said he would put me on a TAPERING plan. You think yours was bad. 10mg pills --it went 6-5-4-3-2-1-1-1 thats it. HOLY MOLY. I went from being high (6 and 5) to full Withdrawals when I hit 2. I said screw it and flushed the rest. I am on day 3-4 of a full CT from oxy with nothing. No Clonidine, zanax etc. Just good ol me- We can do this, I have done this before and light at the end of the tunnel are AMAZINGLY bright and very worth the effort. It hard to believe it, but it is. You are so close -SO CLOSE --dump it all and get on with it. We can do this together.

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GIGI thanks for your help. So what you are saying is to maybe even do .50 like tomorrow? This is what I have left I just picked up a script MY LAST SCRIPT so they tell me and its 15 pills, there 2mg pills and doc wants me to take 1mg a day. So basically I have a 30 day supply, how should I do it, maybe this week do 1mg then the 2nd week do .75 then the third week try .50 and the final week try .25??? what do you suggest. I also wanted to add that I do have a script filled here at home for ATIVAN ...I was in a car accident and my lower back has buldging disks. I heard that might help with the w/d but I will only take them if I REALLY need to because they knock me out. I also have kolonopin 1mg for my anxiety which i hardly take at all. Do you think the ativan will help me at the end?
 
Does everyone but me get relief from clonidine? I took it once during another taper attempt, but it just made me a dry-mouthed zorabie with WRAB. My son said it didn't help him either, other than making him tired.

Plat, I hope you feel better soon! I don't have any experience with suboxone, but I went through methadone WD 30 years ago and I would imagine it's probably the same rotten experience. I know WD from oxycodone IR is bad enough, but I knew I never wanted to be on another long-acting maintenance drug again.
 
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