Nokia trimming the "fat"...?

Nokia doesn't have fan "bois", that's Apple. Nokia users will move on to other devices, Apple users sit around and wait for Uncle Steve to tell them what to do next.



I don't think anybody here is shocked that Meego is 2011. In fact we were more shocked that some tech sites kept saying throughout the year that Meego was still on schedule for 4th QTR 2010...
 
The BT team in one location (AFAIK, Cambrigde) was let go. There are people working on BT in other locations too. That I know for sure - I do not know the relative size of the Cambridge team compared to the other ones.

As for the Kernel team or teams, I have no info. There too its quite possible if not likely that there are/were several locations were work is/was done.

Where code is/was made is somewhat irrelevant, true. But its important to know where it is/was done to assess who dramatic an impact e.g. the potential closing down of the Foundation would have. If you had been right about the core OS code being coded there, the closing down of the Foundation would obviously been a lot more serious a blow to Symbian.
 
true..
if only Nokia had added more ram to the N97 Mini...
I think more people would feel better about buying the N8 and C7 then...
the whole N97 fiasco left so many with bad tastes in their mouths...
what would have been a good move (if not releasing an N97 mini w/ ample RAM) would have been to release an N900 850/1900/2100 variant...
if people were fed up w/ their S60 5th edition device, they could've given Maemo a try and had an interesting experience...
 
The fact of the matter is, a lot of people who have worked on Symbian have made redundant, and they've been made redundant in some critical areas. Spin that any way you want, it's not a good thing.

Just for what it's worth, it seems like most of the cuts were from within the Nokia Symbian team, not the SF team.
 
Maybe its translation or something lol.

Just going back on past release dates, I was optimistic that they would announce a MeeGo device in 2010, but I doubt they could deliver on it.

Who knows, maybe they'll surprise us and deliver it on December 31st, 2010. hahaha
 
And the 3400 remaining in Finland (after the 15% cut in numbers) alone plus probably at least hundreds elsewhere (if not still in thousands) are in not-so-critical-areas? None of them are in "critical" areas? If that's true, than I agree with you.

Yes of course, Nokia announced they would do up to 1800 lay offs, not the Foundation.
 
It's already been "unofficially announced" that the N9 being the first Meego device, but there was no way I ever thought that it would make the 2010 deadline.




For the past few months I was confident that Meego would be launching somewhere in 1st QTR 2011. Now 2nd QTR seems to be more likely (if not at best).



Who knows anymore, I'm still looking forward to Meego and may even be an early launch adopter, but for now I can easily live with S60 and Android... :2thumbs:
 
I love how you said some executives.
The VP in charge of Nokia's MeeGo Devices and Symbian CEO Lee Williams.
Let's see what 2011 holds.

These executives were The reason nokia was staying afloat, it shall be interesting to see if nokia will rise once again or simply fade away
 
Really? The head of two divisions that managed to not release products on-time and/or allowed other OSes to advance the user experience far beyond what they managed to do?

Like we're all saying, we'll see.
 
I'm sure there are some staff left in critical areas. But "core" teams tend to be much smaller than UI and services team. You can gut the core with fewer people than you might imagine.
 
That is probably very true, I agree. Sounds very logical indeed,

My basic point was really that I personally simply cannot tell whether the cuts were significant enough to conclude that Symbian is EOL. You may well be right of course. Time will tell.
 
I'd appreciate some clarification here;

What exactly was the intended purpose of spinning off symbian into its own foundation and making it open source? In Nokia's idea of a perfect world, what was the end result going to be?
 
it was shorter than typing out "preferred Symbian users who are giving Android a try"





exactly, we all know Nokia's track record...
every so often you get a release like the C7 or E71 did...
part of the shifting and downsizing is prob intended to assist with quicker releases...
 
Well, first Symbian was a part of Psion, LLC.
Then it was spun off onto it's own, as Symbian.
Then it was folded into Nokia.
Then it was spun off onto it's own, as the Symbian Foundation.
Now it will probably be absorbed back into Nokia.

It's like that "All this has happened before, all this will happen again" line from BSG.

As for the why it was spun off... it was (most likely, we'll probably not know for many years) to get out of obligations to SE and the other Symbian licensees.
 
it may be clearing out the old programmers who are no longer needed since older development methods are no longer in use...
they are really pushing Qt to be the end all be all when it comes to developing for symbian and meego...
 
Well, given Nokia's recent track of speedy OS develoment, one can only assume that having less fingers working on the OS will generate faster development and a bright future ahead!

I just wish that instead of laying people off, Nokia could have severed a finger off each worker, maybe like the left thumb. How hard do you need to press the space bar anyway?

Also, my feeling about the SF is that Nokia hoped that it would flourish to the point of being able to handle most if not all parts of the OS development. Leaving Nokia to do what it feels comfortable doing, hardware.

But before their seeds had time to grow, a storm came and washed away all the nutrients (community developers and enthusiasm).

So now they fired their weather forecasters! But I would also invite the board of directors to the guillotine. They have failed their fiduciary duty by not reacting to the storm even after it arrived!!
 
they were hoping that it would be adopted more widely and an APP ecosystem could be developed that the largest factor, Nokia, could exploit better than their competitors...samsung and SE also did not want a major competitor, nokia, to control symbian direction and IP.
 
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