No more talks of Symbian^4 as Symbian will be upgradable

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Seriously, I don't think that a Nokia-RIM merger is beyond the realm of possibility.

But again, we're just having fun speculating. Who knows what's really happening in the senior management offices wing of the Espoo headquarters....

One thing I do know: that 'Qt over Symbian' announcement they made is only a fraction of the real story. There's likely more to come.
 
Symbian Foundation was never really doing much (if any) of the coding etc. so I would not think its possible closery would impact Nokia's ability to bring those features to S^3. After all, it was and is Nokia who was primarily contributing to that work and developing those features anyway.
 
Before I go on here is a quote from your buddy Trent....

"Sports Tracker experience was almost enough motivation to sell off the Samsung to keep the Nokia". LOL Apparently he feels the way I do and really likes the Captivate despite the terrible GPS issue. So it may be a "problem for good ole Trent who cannot seem to figure out where he actually went looking at that map. (but he decided to keep it anyway apparently)...LOL....but not for me, Trent and many others who see the merits of the phone far outweighing the GPS "issue"

Far more than then buying a dead technology and 3 year old "upgraded" GUI on the already extinct N8.....No matter how bad the GPS is the phone is light years ahead of any Nokia on the market today and that is sad for Nokia. Their stock price reflects their "success" Ya think? I loved Nokia and the chart topping N95 enough to buy the N97 a month after release after the first FW release....which was early for me.
I liked it enough and like many others looked forward to the next reiteration....which never came. One can buy a $100 Garmin that locks in seconds why waste it on an otherwise flawed phone?


How does one BLINDLY accept that which they have SEEN and read through research? Please explain that to me.. Its not blind.... it is with full vision I accepted the device DESPITE the GPS issues that people were having...I found that NOT to be a deal breaker because IT WORKS....not fast enough for some. Boo Hoo. But it works..

...I know how much you want me to be dissatisfied and even to the extent of projecting your dissatisfaction with the Samsung as my own. But you are simply wrong. I am completely satisfied.

That GPS track on your link is typical of the Captivate but it does not BOTHER ME.......You don't get it. The track is not perfect but it WILL do what it is supposed to do and get you where you want to go. I knew that months ago and sorry it was not a deal breaker for me.... I am already used to Phone GPS and it is not perfect. But I have real GPS units....so I obviously did not and would not put that on my list of high priorities when buying a phone.


If I were bothered by a few minutes to lock and some jumpy tracking I had 30 days to return the phone.......and did not...So what does that tell you? I am blindly accepting that which I was aware of. How incredibly logical is that?.....And what does that say about the rest of the choices I had? Apparently as "bad" as the Captivate is it was and still is still far better then all my other choices......Yeah I'm dissatisfied LOL

Ignore me. man..you are getting redundant. Nokia fixed nothing. I never sent it in. I fixed the fogging issue by cutting out the plastic covering over the lens....fixed..... and used an iTouch for WiFi browsing because the N97 was slower.... Nothing was bad enough to send it in. I knew of the issues of the N97 as well and still bought it because at the time no phone matched it feature for feature even with it's warts.....Not so today with the N8. I had ample time to see that was nothing but an N97 reduex.....Been there done that bought the T-Shirt

Realty ......People are waiting for a decent browser in a recently released TOTL Phone!!!!!, STILL!!!!...a decent browser on a web centric phone imagine that...If that is not a deal breaker and blindly accepting that which SHOULD be right, I don't know what is and neither do you oh and that and T9 in portrait mode is so 2005...........How pitiful is that? But it locks in seconds on GPS...wow..??? LOL Give me a break....The issues are just beginning to dribble out with the N8.....Sammy has one issue that may or may not affect ALL devices. All other issues are specific to individuals and nothing that is common to ALL devices like the N8 funky browser or T9....or other workarounds that are coming.
 
Unless they go Android, I don't see they have a choice.

I think they're going to kill off the Foundation and take control. It's open source, but doesn't mean they can't retake control. What choice would the Foundation have if they have no money?
 
yes and the fruits of that labour will be what another year or two.
in the meantime what will happen?
Nokia wont be able to sustain itself much longer if it remains stagnating for another year or two
Smart phones
q3/2010 q3/2009
nokia 26.5 million 16.4 million
apple 14.1 million 5.2 million
rim 12.5 million 10.1 million

Are you seeing a pattern i wonder how much each will sell a year from now?
or in the q4

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For nokia numbers- does anybody know what they mean?
Smartphones and mobile computers, including the services and accessories sold with them
 
This should quiet down all the Whiny Fanbois and their illogical argument that buying an N8 (or E7, C7, C6-01) is buying into obsolescence.
 
Then you bought the right phone.....and should sell the Captivate. Simple. Mine works. Takes about a minute sometimes two. But when it locks it stays locked. I can wait that long. the rest of the device is that good.
 
Would that move it closer to in one sense to how Android is run? Perhaps there is a real meaningful governance structure there but seems pretty much owned and controlled to Google looking at how its perceived at least in th media. With the obvious exception that other than Nokia and a couple (?) of Japanese manufacturers no one else is using Symbian. :D
 
Yeah, I see the pattern in your glorious numbers ...

Nokia sold 10.1 Million more smartphones this quarter than last Q3.

Apple, despite all the hype & hoopla, only sold 8.9 million more.

See, you can spin anything any which way - what sucks is, the spin machine Apple retains rocks (compared to Google, Nokia etc)! (except T Bon, he can't decide whether he hates or loves Apple devices :p)
 
Eh, what else is Niklas Savander going to say?

Remember that right up until the day before Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns went under, both firms, according to their executives were in no immediate danger.

So, yeah. Grain of salt and all. Look at what they do, not what they say.

If you go just by what he says, Nokia has no intention at all of entering the tablet market...but I doubt it. I'm betting Elop doesn't want to cede what could be the future of mobile computing to Cupertino and Android. As it is, Apple's lead in that arena (touch tablet computing) is already wide and growing.
 
I think they could move it more like how or like a lot of Enterprise Unix/Linux Distributions are run. Have simultaneous OpenSource governance (no real money behind it, just a community, if they're interested, they can commit code to the project) and Enterprise Development and have the the Development side release dev/beta builds and then that gets rolled into a Stable Release (major or minor).

It's clear, with so many drop outs, that Nokia needs to take control of Symbian. Again, I'm hopeful Qt can be a unifying platform and increase the development of apps for our platforms.
 
Nah not blind.....Yes I have become a huge Android fan.....like many others at XDA.... but I walk through the maze of ROM flashing with my arms out looking for obstacles for sure.....There are MANY lagfixes...I want to see which one is the best and most harmless to future ROM flashing.

I have read every single post regarding all ROM flashes and "fixes at XDA over the past few weeks. Believe me I have flashed my phone silly. I don't have (or maybe notice) the issue otherwise I would have already installed a fix....ya think? I have a Frankenstein Phone to play with and flash that first before my user phone. All three of my Captivates run the same. My wife's is on the first beta Froyo release. I am not messing with hers because she is happy with it as it is.

If you read those posts (and I have read every post in the Cognition Froyo thread AND the lag fixing and GPS threads.)...I have learned some of the lagfixes can cause more issues than they are worth IF people forget to disable them when flashing a new ROM. Brick city....which requires SDK and adb knowledge (which I had to learn the hard way....adb is my friend now...)

ROMS are coming fast and furious so i will wait......HOWEVER The latest Cognition ROM Beta 9 has Voodoo's lagfix built in using an "experimental slip" That does not sound too good to me so I am waiting for more responses to the ROM which was only released yesterday or the day before. IM sticking with Cognitions as an "all in one tested ROM" I don;t want o flash independent kernels over his ROMs....he is incorporating lag fixes now so i will wait.

The bottom line is the lag can be fixed for those "suffering" with it I am waiting for a few more positive responses like this one........(albeit this link refers to a fix for 2.1)

http://www.tested.com/news/samsung-captivate-gets-captivilicious-with-simple-lag-fix/714/


"i finally stopped being lazy and installed this - all i have to say is THANK YOU. the install went smooth as silk and the phone is indeed much more snappy. quadrant score went from 884 to 2282!!" post #922 in the thread you mentioned.....seems promising indeed but when people start talking synthetic benchmarks I know its become more about numbers......Those are very involved people in the device. I am not that deep yet.

but I don;t simply don't experience lag as much or enough to bother with it at the moment. The Cog ROMS have made my device run pretty well. and coming from the N97 my phone already feels like greased lightning.....a stutter now and then is normal to me. Maybe it won't be next month. I will say the reports on the 2.29 have been pretty good so far.....but there have been a few bugs not related to the lag that have cropped up. I will see how those go. Those guys are good. They will make it right. Some people are happy with 2.2 6.....2.2 7 and 2.2 8.1. I just burned 8.1 a few days ago...so I want to give my phone a break. Besides Samsung may have the issue fixed with the official release of 2.2.

BTW There is no "middle" Symbian is old and dead...I would rather have an OS I can mess with and "fix" than one that will not be supported by developer communities the likes of XDA. At XDA questions are answered within minutes and issues are resolved within 30 minutes. Symbian has no such "community" and those that were great are going or are gone....So where is that middle? Look behind you...yep......there it is.....

I am blind alright....Blind to Symbian. I am fully aware of the captivate and its flaws and accept them knowing they will be fixed if not by Samsung then by people like DesignGears and other developers.

The guy in the link I posted applied the fix to his phone and I quote "but that's a small price to pay in order to turn the Captivate into a usable, crazy-fast phone". So it can be fixed just like my fogging N97 flash where I had to cut the plastic off the lens to solve the issue. (of course that particular fix is only for the 2.1)
 
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