N86 Indepth camera review

ninjas

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I'm a photographer, maybe you saw that from my N86 unboxing, so the camera on my phone is pretty much a replacement for a compact camera without having to lug around my full SLR body, lenses and flash. So... I needed to see how the camera actually performed. Not crap reviews like people who are so called "technology journalists," saying that one camera is better than another because the colors are more vivid. No, I don't care about that. I care about the pictures a camera produces. Anyway, I'm going to go over a few of the issues that anyone who is serious about using their N86's camera. So, I'll just begin then.

Overall Impressions.
The N86 has a good camera, for a cell phone. In my opinion, it's still not going to replace your compact camera, but it will cover pretty much everything you need without having to lug around another device. It covers my needs just fine.

Exposure and Metering.
Metering seems to be centerweighted. Not matrix, at least, on the modes I tested it on. I'm not sure if this will change in the future. Shouldn't really matter to most users anyway.

Flash.
If you're going to be shooting LOTS low-light situations, you're still gonna want something with xenon flash. The exposure time needed for LEDs just isn't fast enough to freeze action. At this focal length though, camera shake is less of an issue, but still is a major factor when trying to get a decent photo. Exposure length depends on the distance away from the phone and the amount of ambient light. If you want the picture to be sharper, you get close to the flash because the light won't fall off as fast. Pictures of my room in complete darkness can end up blurry, while a photo of a gridsheet can be exposed at 1/200", pretty much stopping all camera shake.

Sharpness.
In my opinion(and many photographers) the most important factor of any photo is sharpness. I'll just jump right into photos here...

So here's the full image:

(click for full size)

Here's 100% crop:
sharpness.jpg

As you can see, it's pretty sharp, but the issue here is seemingly jagged edges. I really wonder if the "8 megapixels" is done though interpolation. It wouldn't suprise me, but it could also be the compression algorithm that Nokia uses. Who knows. We'll see if this is improved as new firmware is released.


Here's a link to full-size of grid paper(not the best subject for sharpness testing, but it shows that the frame doesn't get super noticeably softer in the edges of the frame. Don't mind the dark edges, it's not light fall off. It's the LED flash falloff. Also, notice the slight amount of barrel distortion. A bit disappointing for fixed length lens, but really nothing I wouldn't expect at this focal length.

Bokeh.
This really doesn't matter, but it gives good insight into the quality of a lens. Bokeh isn't a huge issue anyway because you will always have a HUGE depth of field on a sensor this small with a focal length of roughly 28mm(on 35mm format).

Here's a 100% crop of a bokeh example:
bokeh.jpg

Ugly to say the least. Doughnuts and harsh edges everywhere. So yeah, not exactly quality optics, but you won't see much bokeh anyway, for the reasons I already mentioned. The actual focal length on this lens is 4.6mm. Gotta remember the sensor is super small, which is the reason it doesn't look like an ultrawide or fisheye. In terms of "crop size" this sensor is about a 6x crop sensor versus a 35mm frame. To put it in perspective, most DSLRs are ~1.5X crop. The sensor on this camera is roughly 4mm x 6mm.

Sunstars and Ghosts.
While we're on things that don't really matter, I'll go ahead and get this out of the way. Sunstars are... not really existent. There is often too much glare to even make out what they look like. From what I understand it's basically just the fact that the optics are all plastic. Ghosts are a bit more noticeable, but not an issue unless the sun is in the frame. Since this isn't a zoom lens, not much light outside the frame is going to find it's way into the photo. I should note as well that there aren't that many ghosts because there isn't much plastic for the light to bounce around on.

Here are a few examples. As before, click for full size.



**Notice in the second frame the vast difference in exposure. It's frames like these that make me think center-weighted metering.**

Here's a frame with the sun just out of the frame.

As you can see, the ghosts here are almost undetectable. Fixed focal length can be good in some instances.



I'll be posting a second part, which I'll amend to the end of this post. The second part will cover ISO performance and dynamic range. Please let me know if there is anything else you'd like to see, or something I need to change. I hope someone finds this useful.
 
There is a camera mod available on symbian-freak that has made my n97 a much better camera. I posted in the "lets see photos you've taken with your s60" and i posted full size 5mp pictures, and at 100% zoom they look very good on a small sharp angle. I am not sure if it is available for the n86, but it helped my phone out a lot.
 
They changed their forum so I need to find it. Once I do i'll post it.

EDIT: It is on 4shared.com. You need to hack the phone to do it. I will keep looking for the post on symbian freak. Just search camera mod.
 
:P I'll just say, those trying to get better LED flash "stoppage" should try holding it closer to the subject. It's just something that is brutally obvious to me after using the device a few days, and technically speaking, makes total sense. :) If there is only one thing you take away from the review, it's that.


sounds good.
 
Gotcha :) I'm still torn betwee the n86 and n97, grrr.


A while ago I pointed out a mod for the N85 cam. I think we are talking about the same thing? Basically you hack the phone and reduce the JPG compression as much as possible. That way the photos taken won't be compressed as much, resulting in a more detailed picture with a larger file size.
 
Here is a link to the tutorial, you must have a hacked phone for it to work though. It does improve picture quality, but its no N82. :( I was at a wedding this weekend and brought my N82 with just to take pictures, because of the lack of xenon (mainly to "stop" motion for candid-type shots). Does anybody have v20 firmware on their N86 yet? How big of an improvement in picture quality are we talking about?

http://www.symbian-freak.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=37150
 
Very nice review!

Did you take any indoor/moving pictures -- things that would gauge the lens speed, shutter time, ISO, and the flash?

Did you look at any other phones besides the N86? (I.e. how does it fare against other N-series devices like the N82/N95/N96/N85/N97..)? How about some non-Nokias (e.g. the SE C905, Samsung Pixon, etc)?

In either case, looking forward to part 2. :)
 
After the stupid update to v20.115 the Autofocus doesn't work that good for objects more then 20 meters away. Your photos might be completely unfucussed :doh: Face detection is a nice optical gimmick bu usefull... :disappoin

Only white balance in flash photos has improved. But like with the older firmware 50% of my photos made with flash are blurry cause of the slightest movement of my hands or of the objects. They have to improve shutter speed.

For me with v20 it photography got worse because of the unusefull autofocus :crying:

Never had such unfocussed fotos like this, and I took more then 900 with v11.xxx

 
djmuzi,
Have you tried doing a hard reset (*#7370#) after the update to v20? I have found that this helps when I updated my N82 to v20 and v31. It defeats the purpose of the "user data preservation" feature, but may help with some of the bugs you are experiencing. Just be sure to back up all your data, contacts, etc. on the phone's internal memory.
 
I did Hardreset a few times :goodness: doesn't help. Now i make my photos in Landscape mode or in Macro mode; yes even Macro works better then the Auto even for further away objects :lolup:
 
Pretty, sad..... Guess I'll be sticking with my N82 for a while longer, since it seems to still be Nokia's best imaging device, hell it even trumps my Sony 8MP C905 running lastest FW, waaaay better image detail and colors than the C905
 
Would you care to post some samples of the two?

I never had a N82 (no US 3G kills it for me), but did some comparison shots between my C905a and the N97 in various settings, both indoor/outdoor, daytime/artifical light, etc. I'll dig these up a little later and post here. Quite frankly, the C905a trumped the N97 in every possible way that I could see, including color reproduction. (PhoneArena say that the C905 has a "white filter" and unsaturated colors, but in my opinion they are very accurate. In some some settings the N97 produces more saturated colors to be sure, but less accurate representation of the actual scene, both indoor and outdoor).

In turn, I also did some comparison of N97 vis a vis my older N85, and the N85 vs. the N95. Basically, the N85 was the worst of the three, but the N97 is at least as good as the N95.

Against the C905a, the only area where the N-series phones have an edge is video recording -- but even here it is debatable. While the N97 zoom is all digital (becomes jagged as soon as you zoom in at all), the C905a retains optical zooming up to about 3x/4x -- when the 320x240 window it reaches the native pixel resolution of the camera. The zoom is smooth, unlike the N97 zoom which works in 9 discrete steps. Finally, the C905a can leave the LED on for illumination while recording.

Finally, in a more practial aspect, the way I use these phones, the C905 always produces sharper images -- even when the flash is not used. For some reason my N95/N85/N97 pictures, especially of moving kids in twilight, have always been very blurry, whereas the C905a pictures are more a like a regular pocket camera in this regard.
 
I am also coming from the N82. I will say I LOVED the "stopping" power of a xenon, but the colors are so much natural looking with the n86. I do seem to remember the n82's picture quality improving after every firmware update, so I'm hoping the n86 will improve as much (because there is lots of room for improvement). I go to a lot of concerts and shoot video and have found that the n86 trumps the n82 in EVERY WAY in that dept. See for yourself on my youtube page. The Metallica show is the only one recorded with my n86, the others (except Van Halen [N80!]) were taken with my N82.

www.youtube.com/imjasonmh
 
I'm still running the v20 FW on the N82, (didn't want to re-hack after update) and it takes stellar indoor/outdoor shots, the pics from the N82 definitely have more vibrant colors which is less natural, but more pleasing to the eye in most cases, pics from the C905 show less detail, and colors seem a bit washed with a yellow tint, I can post some samples but not until later, I was very surprised at the C905's performance since it had pretty high marks in the camera department from most of the reviews I had read, also I'm running CDA 1205-9079 and FW R1FA035 on it, it's an AT&T model that I de-branded before it was even powered on for the first time
 
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