it wouldn't let me sign in . it sd to retry. kept doing that . finally downloaded messenger 9 and didn't notice till later that the smilie was slightly different and i still couldn't get in. i changed my password on the yahoo acct. completely deleted messenger 9. so is the new password one they have access to, or only the old one. g mail was the back up, listed on the yahoo account , do they also have this. how far do they get with the fishing?