More Anonymious then Gnutella

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If you want more anonymity then Gnutella, but can't figure out how to use Freenet, try using ELFnet. http://www.projectelf.com/

ELFnet is the easiest program to use that also has anonymity. Check out the future of P2P.

ELFnet is still just getting started and needs our support.
 
Looks like a great program. I have been looking for something with more anonymity. But like you said it is still just getting started ie slow downloades and not much content.

But I think it would be worth trying to support it. Anonymity is definitely the future of file sharing.
 
With lack of annonymous sharing capabilities in its current incarnation, is there any hope of the gnutella protocol evolving toward a more anonymous protocol? It would be a sad thing to see gnut fall prey to the same jackals that have slain the mighty Napster...
 
Ya, users range about 1-10. But that is not the point, it is a new network and it is a given that it won't have any files yet.

The point is that if you have used Gnutella to share files and got one of the nasty email for you ISP saying that they are going to shut you off if you don't stop sharing copyrighted files, or if you are just concerned in general about the lack of anonymity in Gnutella, or if you think that all file sharing programs might follow Napster down the drain hole.

Then you might be like me and want to support any program with some anonymity even if it doesn't have a lot of files yet.
 
As far as I know the Gnutella protocol will not be able to do that. They will most likely have to build a new protocol. But then I don't really know that much about the protocal.

HydroPhonic do you know if I am right about Gnutella not being able to evolve?
 
I am alarmed by a couple features of the ELFnet...
First, it's closed-source. They say the reason is to prevent "malicious download corruption" (maridun, ELF forum admin), presumably by a misbehaving servent or user.

Strong encryption algorithms are open source, and they are so because they can withstand the ultimate scrutiny and lose none of their effectiveness in protecting their users. CSS could not withstand such scrutiny; DeCSS destroyed it.

I worry that ELF could not stand up to a determined attack by an industry with lots of money. The encryption they use, although decent (and rather novel, I think), is not absolute like strong encryption should be (and is!)

Also, I am beginning to design a program which acts as a framework that I can snap-in modules to support new protocols as they emerge. Although I intent to include a Gnutella module (called "Deez Gnuts!" ) and a FreeNet module, I will not (obviously) be able to include an ELF module until they Provide the promised APIs...

And whatever shall happen when I add another computer to my home network, a Linux computer amongst the Wintels?

I'm afraid that, while ELF improves on Gnutella's lack of security (at the expense of horrendous ELFnet bandwidth expenditure OMG!!), it isn't strong enough to warrant the switch...

I'm still reading up on FreeNet...
 
very much that Gnutella cannot evolve. It's capabilities are only for searching... the regular Internet is used to download...

Gnutella would have to make such a radical change as to no longer be compatible with the current incarnation... that means it will become a new protocol (and therefore, no longer be Gnutella).

There are two new protocols in the works (and surely more to follow!)
www.projectelf.com
www.freenetproject.org

Although I wouldn't advise moving immediately to one of these, they're certainly important to watch...

My website
members.aol.com/VbHydroPhonic/index.html
will have much info on it... (under construction... "Future of Gnutella section's up tho )
 
ELFnet was talking about trying to do something about the bandwidth expenditure. I don't really know if they will be able to.

Let me know what you think of FreeNet.
 
A little off subject, but jumping back to zeroshadow's earlier comment... Nasty e-mails for downloading copyrighted files... How do they monitor your music collection? How are they to know whether you do or do not actually own the music? Are they spying on you or something? Some people actually use the service legally ya know.

If you ax'd me, it jus doesn't seem like they know what they're talkin about.
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They know who you are by identifying the IP address that their computer is sending the file to. That's right, their computer!! That's the only way to obtain absolute proof that someone is DLing the file, to be the one sending it!

Once they have that IP, they simply resolve the first sets of numbers into the service provider's network ID. Then, with the last numbers (along with the time and day), the ISP can identify the user. They can be subpoenaed or bullied into providing this service to a sufficiently influential industry.
 
well been running it for over 24 hrs it still needs more work but at least when it crashed it didnt take windows with it looks to be a very viable alternative to gnuttella i can share more files on there than here look forward to more progress
 
HydroPhonic, Gnutella is more than for 'just searching' and I have dozens of cd's crammed with files to prove it. I cannot speak for the longevity of gnutella, but right now, it works great for me.
 
All Gnutella does is search. Once the results have been found and the sharer's IP address has been acquired, your servent then:
1) Establishes a direct TCP/IP connection withh the sharer.
2) Sends (directly to sharer) an HTTP request that looks like:
GET /get///HTTP/1.0\r\n
Connection: Keep-Alive\r\n
Range: bytes=0-\r\n
User-Agent: Gnutella\r\n
\r\n

Note that this request does not go through the Gnutella network. Note also that the resulting file transfer is direct to you through the regular internet, not through Gnutella. Gnutella is just a means to find a filename you want and an IP address who has it.

(Firewalled servents are a little different, but the file transfer still happens on the regular internet without passing through anyone else's computer)
 
Ummm yeah well I thought this would happen great a network which could route packets through up to an infinite number of hosts unless it has a TTL field which then allows for fake clients to catch all copyright violators on nodes next their own. Who wants to route other peoples downloads I don't want to use all my bandwidth and my data transfer limit for some sico's downloads so they can jack off over exploited little naked children.
 
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