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I lied. If I can get one, I'll take a friend and buy two. One for me and one for someone willing to pay more than double, probably triple, on eBay.
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Money-grubbing retards or Marketing geniuses
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MrMcKeigue
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Dude... The xbox had SUCH better graphics than a PS2... Are you kidding me. Like you can take screen shots from the same game on different platforms and you can tell easily what looks better. The xbox was superior in graphics and online gaming. It all boils down to what kind of gamer you are. I like first person shooters so I go w/ xbox. If I really enjoyed japanese games and MGS2, Devil May Cry and GT, then I'd be a PS person. I was until I discovered xbox.
ya but you just proved my point.. the PS3 has more power under the hood then the 360. so in about 2 years or so, the PS3 games are going to start to look better, not to metion the fact that it supports blu ray.... So not only does it have more power it has more room for more textures and so forth.
fact.
but honestly i could care less about graphics. i had a ps2 and it looked just fine to me, i wasnt about to run out and get an xbox becasue Splinter cell looked alil better on it, i care more about games. and most (if not all) of the games i like to play are mulit platform.. so im left with the choice of what does the system do?
the Wii does nothing but games = meh i need more then that
the 360 does some muisic and video play back but i wouldnt compare it to a computer = thats kinda apealing
the PS3 plays tons of video formats, its an mp3 player, picture slide show, web browser, and so on.. = so the ps3 offers the most out of the machine and i like mulititasking electronics so that leaves me with the PS3... no?
not really becasue most first person shooters are muliti platform? the only ones that arent that are worth mentioning is Halo and Resistance.. but you cant just by a game system for 1 game. Haze is gonna be awesome its from the makers of Timesplitter (who also did goldeneye64) and there are a few others. but they are all gonna be on both systems.
i guess theres always gears of war, but the ps3 is getting unreal tourny and that looks almost the same? the only game that i really want that wont be muliti platform is God of War, other wize (game wize) i could get a 360.
fact.
but honestly i could care less about graphics. i had a ps2 and it looked just fine to me, i wasnt about to run out and get an xbox becasue Splinter cell looked alil better on it, i care more about games. and most (if not all) of the games i like to play are mulit platform.. so im left with the choice of what does the system do?
the Wii does nothing but games = meh i need more then that
the 360 does some muisic and video play back but i wouldnt compare it to a computer = thats kinda apealing
the PS3 plays tons of video formats, its an mp3 player, picture slide show, web browser, and so on.. = so the ps3 offers the most out of the machine and i like mulititasking electronics so that leaves me with the PS3... no?
not really becasue most first person shooters are muliti platform? the only ones that arent that are worth mentioning is Halo and Resistance.. but you cant just by a game system for 1 game. Haze is gonna be awesome its from the makers of Timesplitter (who also did goldeneye64) and there are a few others. but they are all gonna be on both systems.
i guess theres always gears of war, but the ps3 is getting unreal tourny and that looks almost the same? the only game that i really want that wont be muliti platform is God of War, other wize (game wize) i could get a 360.
allsmilezayo77
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Well Sony's marketing execs had better be geniuses, they're all making a shit ton of money regardless of the console's sales.
Personally I can't see spending $ 500+ for a new console. Back in the day it was $ 100 for brand new Nintendo... and $ 150 for brand new SNES... I know inflation happens over time but that's a little crazy. I'd had an Xbox since they came out only b/c I received it as a present - but I've so far refused to buy a 360 due to the insane cost. (I have tried to grab a few that people were selling used, obviously at huge discounts off of the original retail!)
It'd be interesting to actually see how much profit Sony makes off of each console sold... before and after marketing costs.
Personally I can't see spending $ 500+ for a new console. Back in the day it was $ 100 for brand new Nintendo... and $ 150 for brand new SNES... I know inflation happens over time but that's a little crazy. I'd had an Xbox since they came out only b/c I received it as a present - but I've so far refused to buy a 360 due to the insane cost. (I have tried to grab a few that people were selling used, obviously at huge discounts off of the original retail!)
It'd be interesting to actually see how much profit Sony makes off of each console sold... before and after marketing costs.
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According to the latest issue of Japanese magazine Toyo Keizai, Merrill Lynch Japan Securities has recently calculated an analysis that the production of a single PlayStation 3 console will cost Sony approximately 54,000 yen to make ($494), as of its initial release in 2006.
The chip and Bluray drive cost sony $100 each.
The PS3 aint' cheap, but it does come with it leading edge technology and that costs beaucoup $$$$$$$.
Stand-alone Blu-ray players are pretty $$, and the PS3 in turn, is a loss-leader for the blu-ray movement.
If PS3 takes off, Sony can make up the losses in the following years thru cheaper technogloy, mass quantities and higher licensing fees
According to the latest issue of Japanese magazine Toyo Keizai, Merrill Lynch Japan Securities has recently calculated an analysis that the production of a single PlayStation 3 console will cost Sony approximately 54,000 yen to make ($494), as of its initial release in 2006.
The chip and Bluray drive cost sony $100 each.
The PS3 aint' cheap, but it does come with it leading edge technology and that costs beaucoup $$$$$$$.
Stand-alone Blu-ray players are pretty $$, and the PS3 in turn, is a loss-leader for the blu-ray movement.
If PS3 takes off, Sony can make up the losses in the following years thru cheaper technogloy, mass quantities and higher licensing fees
candy_amethyst
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That's the problem, it is priced outside what the mass market consumer is willing to pay, which is usually about $150.
What are the "real" XBox360 numbers vs. expectations and projections?
What are the "real" XBox360 numbers vs. expectations and projections?
Ann Violet
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excellent write up
levineeddie
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good write-up
i def want the PS3...but i can wait until i can just walk into bestbuy and grab one off the shelf- if thats 3months, 6months from now fine-
if i get my hands on one now it will be sold to profit off this hype
i def want the PS3...but i can wait until i can just walk into bestbuy and grab one off the shelf- if thats 3months, 6months from now fine-
if i get my hands on one now it will be sold to profit off this hype
mayra.nava
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Nice write-up it does make a lot of valid points. Kind of silly if the HD-DVD player can't load data would pretty much eliminate any chance of it selling well. Kind of reminds me of the SEGA-CD, in that it won't really sell.
Though I'd have to say that given Sony's past issues and such it's mostly their name that will allow it to sell as well as it probably will. It's almost a bit like the 3D0 in that sense. In that it has a hefty pricetag, however the main difference is it looks like it might have a few killer must have titles where as the 3D0 did not.
However reliability isn't Sony's strong suit (Prior to latest PR issues), more so as of lately this might pose a problem. Though hopefully given the importance of this they won't screw it up.
Could be a marketing ploy, and while it will stir up a lot of short-term demand. Will that still be there after christmas? A lot of that would depend on how successful/unsuccessful the Wii is. If it ends up being a hit media coverage will move towards it, then Sony will have to rely on paid advertising.
On the flip-side, the Wii could be a Virtual Boy style disaster there are too many variables to account for. And personally I find it quite attractive for it's price point. And the fact it could be something everyone will enjoy. No one really knows, how long the batteries in the remote will last. if the sensors will encounter any kind of unknown real-world interfereance. There are a lot of unknowns at this point.
Most of the people around where I live will only get one, maybe two consoles. Right now the Wii is looking to have a very strong launch at this point. If you go down to any major chain store in my area, the Wii displays are being setup right in front while the PS3/XBox360 are off to the side. So the retailers are expecting big things.
And people standing in a long line to play at the Kiosk might be all the adevertising someone needs to make an impulse buy.
But if the Wii ends up having issues instead. Then the PS3 will be able to generate a lot of marketing much in the style of Tickle Me Elmo did in terms of people trying to get one.
Though I'd have to say that given Sony's past issues and such it's mostly their name that will allow it to sell as well as it probably will. It's almost a bit like the 3D0 in that sense. In that it has a hefty pricetag, however the main difference is it looks like it might have a few killer must have titles where as the 3D0 did not.
However reliability isn't Sony's strong suit (Prior to latest PR issues), more so as of lately this might pose a problem. Though hopefully given the importance of this they won't screw it up.
Could be a marketing ploy, and while it will stir up a lot of short-term demand. Will that still be there after christmas? A lot of that would depend on how successful/unsuccessful the Wii is. If it ends up being a hit media coverage will move towards it, then Sony will have to rely on paid advertising.
On the flip-side, the Wii could be a Virtual Boy style disaster there are too many variables to account for. And personally I find it quite attractive for it's price point. And the fact it could be something everyone will enjoy. No one really knows, how long the batteries in the remote will last. if the sensors will encounter any kind of unknown real-world interfereance. There are a lot of unknowns at this point.
Most of the people around where I live will only get one, maybe two consoles. Right now the Wii is looking to have a very strong launch at this point. If you go down to any major chain store in my area, the Wii displays are being setup right in front while the PS3/XBox360 are off to the side. So the retailers are expecting big things.
And people standing in a long line to play at the Kiosk might be all the adevertising someone needs to make an impulse buy.
But if the Wii ends up having issues instead. Then the PS3 will be able to generate a lot of marketing much in the style of Tickle Me Elmo did in terms of people trying to get one.
Sony doesn’t have the best reliability, but Microsoft did set the bar quite low for a system launch. I mean the 360's are holding together now, but on launch they were breaking like they were made out of glass. So if Sony encounters the same problem this shouldn’t be any different then the 360 launch but, If the PS3 holds together and at least half the people who have PS2s end up buying a PS3, then Sony will have a good fighting chance.
I also think that, the fact that both PS3's have blu ray built in is going to help Sony win the high def DVD wars. 9 out of 10 households (or something crazy like that, I don’t know the actually stats, but its high) have at least a PS2. Which means 9 out of 10 households for sure, has a DVD player. If Sony can turn the same numbers with the ps3 then 9 out of 10 households will have a blu ray player on top of the people who bought a normal blu ray player. Where Microsoft is asking you to buy a $200 add on (which I haven’t talked to anyone that plans on getting one) or a $900 HD DVD player.
Will this win the war for Sony? No, but it will surly help.
As far as the Wii goes, I don’t think it will be like the virtual boy. The VB was trying to hard to be ahead of its time, I mean look, the VB came out in 1995? over 10 years ago, and Virtual reality is still not a common thing? The motion sensing is kind of a gimmick but still a step into the future, but at least this time it was a step and not a time warp. Then again, like you said there are allot of variables that we still don’t know about so it could have issues, but I don’t see it flopping.
I wasn’t to sure about the Wii when I first saw it but now I'm pretty impressed. I think it was smart of Nintendo to do this and not go after MS and Sony, because (I think) if they put out a Gamecube 2 with just crazy graphics, come next system launch Nintendo would have gone the way of Sega, but I think this has saved them a place in the console race.
I also think that, the fact that both PS3's have blu ray built in is going to help Sony win the high def DVD wars. 9 out of 10 households (or something crazy like that, I don’t know the actually stats, but its high) have at least a PS2. Which means 9 out of 10 households for sure, has a DVD player. If Sony can turn the same numbers with the ps3 then 9 out of 10 households will have a blu ray player on top of the people who bought a normal blu ray player. Where Microsoft is asking you to buy a $200 add on (which I haven’t talked to anyone that plans on getting one) or a $900 HD DVD player.
Will this win the war for Sony? No, but it will surly help.
As far as the Wii goes, I don’t think it will be like the virtual boy. The VB was trying to hard to be ahead of its time, I mean look, the VB came out in 1995? over 10 years ago, and Virtual reality is still not a common thing? The motion sensing is kind of a gimmick but still a step into the future, but at least this time it was a step and not a time warp. Then again, like you said there are allot of variables that we still don’t know about so it could have issues, but I don’t see it flopping.
I wasn’t to sure about the Wii when I first saw it but now I'm pretty impressed. I think it was smart of Nintendo to do this and not go after MS and Sony, because (I think) if they put out a Gamecube 2 with just crazy graphics, come next system launch Nintendo would have gone the way of Sega, but I think this has saved them a place in the console race.
Agreed it does definatly give them a fighting chance. If they didn't do anything different no one would care. It the Wii definatly won't flop on launch, in fact it will probably have one of the strongest launches in a long time. All depends on word of mouth, much like the DS/PSP. In that all the advertising and technology in the world can't save something if it has nothing you want.
But it's continued success depends entirely on how well it works. If it works great everyone will be all over it. If not a lot of people will have them just sitting around like a paperweight. Regardless they will get a nice profit either way.
Having said that though, I'm going for the Wii it seems to offer what PC games can't. A simple quick to jump in way of playing games without waiting on it load, or tinkering around when I just want to play a quick game for a few minutes.
But it's continued success depends entirely on how well it works. If it works great everyone will be all over it. If not a lot of people will have them just sitting around like a paperweight. Regardless they will get a nice profit either way.
Having said that though, I'm going for the Wii it seems to offer what PC games can't. A simple quick to jump in way of playing games without waiting on it load, or tinkering around when I just want to play a quick game for a few minutes.