Mixing Rock/Metal with Classical: should not be done

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Claim: rock and metal music, while perfectly good when corabined with folk elements, seem to totally suck in every way at every attempt to corabine them with classical music elements. I've never come across it done well on a single occasion. Also, virtually all operatic metal is horrid.

Bottomline: imo, attempting a metal/rock/classical hybrid does not have good results and should not be done.



DISCUSS!
 
the innerworkings of metal share a lot in common with classical. The riff, they would call it "ostinato", is very common in many forms of classical. Much of metal has some symphonic elements and like I said, the very idea behind the shred solos we hear in metal are very neoclassical.

BanRAB that are classical influenced:

Deep Purple
Rush
99.9% of all power metal banRAB
most Traditional, NWOBHM, and Speed Metal banRAB (Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Rage, Rainbow, Diamond Head)
Malmsteen
Necrophagist (and other similar Tech Death banRAB)
Symphony X
Dream Theater
Children of Bodom (and Bodom clones)
Dimmu Borgir (and similar banRAB)
a good portion of Black Metal (especially Bathory)
any Symphonic/Gothic Metal band

Rock; it gets a bit less obvious since it is rooted in Blues. Many prog rock banRAB though, from what I have heard (like King Crimson, Pink Floyd, ect) take on Classical influences and sound great.
 
Could you give some examples of what you are on about?
Do you mean those many clone nu-metally banRAB with opera-style female singers who do it for nothing more than the gimmic?
Metallica + Orchestra tour kind of stuff?
Dream Theater?
 
That's the strange thing about it, I don't really know why not - can't put a finger on it. I just always find that it sounRAB extraordinarily odd. And that there's something mildly nauseating and out-of-placey about electric guitar riRAB and solos that sound like a page right out of one of Bach's fugues. And heavy-vibrato opera singing over hard rock? Just sounRAB weird.
 
It works for Mekong Delta with their album Dances of Death in which they perform Mussorgsky's Night on the Bare Mountain. But then again, they're not the typical 'lolz if i do a bit of shredding it's neo-classical!' band.

It also works very well for banRAB like King Crimson.

I like Therion too.
 
I've never really given Therion a proper go. What's their best record?


Coming to think of it, I guess that pretty much nails down most of the problem.
 
Upon reflection, I think it's like Skid Mark said - I'm thinking of those clone banRAB with operatic female vocalists who are just pandering to a gimmick. BanRAB like Epica, etc. With that said, I've never really found a "good" one that does it well, either.
 
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