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# 2 in december

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He's too mired in hatred and self righteousness to hear any of us now. He believes his "truth" is the only truth, and has closed his mind.

However, I feel as if, I should try. Rafi, it's not too late to change, to leave the anger behind, and feel empathy for your "enemies" and trust - that they will learn...to do the same.

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Peace, Paul
 
I do feel empathy for our enemies.. I know they want to blow the fuck out of us for living in the land of Israel, for having an army that, let's admit it, sometimes blows it's weapons near civilians.. I understand Al-Qaeda for wanting to kill all the infidels and have them burning in fire because they aren't good enough for the Muslim empire they want to build.

In all honesty, I DO understand that. What I refuse to understand is the reason they have for not empathising us.. Why can't they understand our reasoning behind going after people who we heavily suspect are going to try and kill tens or even hundreds of innocent people..

But scrub that, this is empathy we're talking about, and yes, I seriously do understand what they think and believe.. But as the definition of empathy goes - I may understand them, but I don't necessarily have to agree with them.

Not only that, but you buttraped me for that "Israel this Israel that".. Turn on the BBC once in a while (the world service).. I don't know about you, but there have been times when quite a bit, if not most of the news items had some sort of connection to Israel.. Whatever it may be. It's funny, as we are like one of the smallest countries in the world, with a population of around 75% of Greater London, yet the Arab world, and no doubt most of the western world feel they have to take us so seriously as if we're a threat to the world. It's ridiculous. If the BBC would report less on Israel, the less people would feel they are threatened by Israel. Or something else..

But hey that's just me talking after being up for 1 hour..
 
tralalala said:
I do feel empathy for our enemies.. I know they want to blow the fuck out of us for living in the land of Israel, for having an army that, let's admit it, sometimes blows it's weapons near civilians.. I understand Al-Qaeda for wanting to kill all the infidels and have them burning in fire because they aren't good enough for the Muslim empire they want to build.

In all honesty, I DO understand that. What I refuse to understand is the reason they have for not empathising us.. Why can't they understand our reasoning behind going after people who we heavily suspect are going to try and kill tens or even hundreds of innocent people..

But scrub that, this is empathy we're talking about, and yes, I seriously do understand what they think and believe.. But as the definition of empathy goes - I may understand them, but I don't necessarily have to agree with them.

Not only that, but you buttraped me for that "Israel this Israel that".. Turn on the BBC once in a while (the world service).. I don't know about you, but there have been times when quite a bit, if not most of the news items had some sort of connection to Israel.. Whatever it may be. It's funny, as we are like one of the smallest countries in the world, with a population of around 75% of Greater London, yet the Arab world, and no doubt most of the western world feel they have to take us so seriously as if we're a threat to the world. It's ridiculous. If the BBC would report less on Israel, the less people would feel they are threatened by Israel. Or something else..

But hey that's just me talking after being up for 1 hour..
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What are you talking about.

It's your bigoted rant against Russians I'm referring to. The "send them all fucking back" one. Remember. Your anti-Arab stance is a separate example.

If someone in my country said, as they do, send all the Pakistanis home I would describe them as a bigot. How is what you said different. Fuck sake, I was born in Scotland as were my parents, I've now got people chanting that I should go home (to Ireland presumably) the famine's over apparently.
 
Ah.. The Russian thing.

Well, you'd be surprised, but a fair amount of the population in Israel is quite pissed at the fact that a serious percentage of the Russian immigrants to Israel came here for no reason other than an economical one. Not a Jewish one. That's what irritates me so much. So yes, Israel was created for the JEWS (and I don't care what BaWa says), so why come here and do things which are totally opposite to the reasoning behind the existence of out state? That's why I was ranting about them.

Having said that, didn't Skizo have a long rave about the Mexicans in the US..? :whistle:
 
tralalala said:
Ah.. The Russian thing.

Well, you'd be surprised, but a fair amount of the population in Israel is quite pissed at the fact that a serious percentage of the Russian immigrants to Israel came here for no reason other than an economical one. Not a Jewish one. That's what irritates me so much. So yes, Israel was created for the JEWS (and I don't care what BaWa says), so why come here and do things which are totally opposite to the reasoning behind the existence of out state? That's why I was ranting about them.

Having said that, didn't Skizo have a long rave about the Mexicans in the US..? :whistle:
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I do it but so do other people has always been the "defence" of the bigot.

So, everyone in Israel is a Jew, that's not what I was led to believe. In fact I thought around 25% of the population was non-Jewish.
 
Doesn't change the fact Israel was declared as Jewish state from the start, and ever since has had a vast majority of Jews. I never actually meant (or said for that matter) that Israel is totally and 100% Jewish.

And all this talk about bigotry.. I'll bet you you'll find it much harder to find one person who isn't a bigot (what's the word opposite to a bigot? :blink:) in a group of 1000 people than someone who is. There is bigotry all around. People will always prefer to be in a group of people like them, rather than with others. It's the way nature made us.
Would you feel more comfortable going into a rally or whatever surrounded by Pakistani immigrants, or with a group of fellow Irish-Scots (in your case)? And don't use that "well, it depends how nice they are" shite.. Generally speaking, who would you rather be with? Obviously the Irish-Scots.. For the simple reason they are more alike you than the Pakistanis. Same thing with me and Russian immigrants who try and preserve their non-Jewish way of life, even though they used the excuse of having a great grandparent who happened to be a Jew to get into Israel.
 
That's entirely different from saying get the fuck out of my country. Most specious argument you've come up with yet. I don't spend most of my time with Irish-Scots. Actually maybe I do, I simply don't know because I don't care. The fact that you do speaks volumes.

Re you Jewish state point. The fact is that 25% of the population is not Jewish and have a non-Jewish way of life. So why are you singling out the Russians. Why not send every non-Jew out of Israel. Or is that what you really want.
 
You've missed the point.

The point was that these Russian Jews I speak of, are actually people who came from Russia CLAIMING they were Jews, since the law in Israel accepts people who's grandparents were Jews into the country (Like the Nuremberg Laws). This created a situation where a person, who's grandfather was a Jew, but who married out, and had kids who married out who had kids, actually is not Jewish by definition (as a Jew must have a Jewish mother.. In this case, he does not). Hence by Israeli law he is entitled to come here as a Jew, but according to Jewish law he is a Christian all the way.
This situation basically has people coming here saying "oh yes my grandfather was a Jew so let me in", and they do, using this Jewish thing as an excuse to get in, and then, once in, do nothing that gives the slightest idea that they may be of Jewish heritage - With Christian tattooing, non-Kosher food, hailing Hitler and the likes of him, hating the state of Israel..

Why oh why would I want people like that in Israel? (and FYI, these people are counted in the 75% that are considered Jews in Israel).



That's what I was (and still am) so pissed off about.
 
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