Key Limes vs Persian (traditional) Limes

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On back to thread sometime around labor day, America's test Kitchen
taste-tested traditional Persian limes and key limes and either one
prevailed over the other.

Ehcih brings up kaffir limes. I didnt find the juice was any better
or worse than regular or key limes, but man - that fragrant oil coming
out of the skins of kaffir limes is incredible. I used a hlf lime's
worth of zest in a quart of my wet and spicy Mexican shrimp cocktail
and it was incredibly overpowering. But my hands smelled really good
all day.

-sw
 
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:56:06 -0600, Sqwertz
wrote:


Usually one does not juice the kaffirs, but uses the zest or the
leaves only. It isn't unheard of to juice them, but it is rare. The
fruits are not easy to come by here in the east. I am jealous. My
local Thai suppliers only have them frozen.

I have been trying to get my kaffirs to fruit, but alas, all I get is
the wonderful leaves, which I got to use in tom kha gai last week.

And yes, the fragrance of them is wonderful.

Boron
 
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:23:10 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:


So when life give you limes, make lime zest, not juice?

Maybe you don't juice them, but I do. Pretty silly just to waste it.


The fragrance of the rind s MUCH stronger.

-sw
 
On 12 Feb 2011 17:50:28 GMT, notbob wrote:


I've have two K limes right now, each about 3 feet tall. I overwinter
them in the basement near a window and take them out in the spring.

I have gotten other citrus to flower and fruit, so I assume there is
something with season, light and temperature that I just cannot
provide to the K here in NJ.

Four Winds is a very reputable place. They are not the cheapest
supplier around, but their quality is excellent. I have ordered from
them several times.

Boron
 
On 2011-02-12, Boron Elgar wrote:


It must be a combination of both heat and humidity. NJ has the
humidity and CA certainly has the heat, but neither have both. My
biggest prob with FW kaffirs is scale. Had two infestations, one
indoors, one out. Set the plant back, but never killed it, as I
caught it in time. I often wondered if that was the reason for not
fruiting.

nb
 
On 12 Feb 2011 19:44:36 GMT, notbob wrote:


I used to get wicked scale on all my citrus in the winter. That was
when I used to over winter it in the kitchen in a southern exposure.
Once I made the decision to keep the citrus in the cool area over the
winter, no more scale.

Scale is the scourge of citrus - at least for dwarf grown in pots. I
have had to just get rid of some, the infestation got so bad. Damn
stuff spread to my orchids one year. I was not happy.

Boron
 
On 2011-02-12, Boron Elgar wrote:


That was my first infestation. So severe, the bugs were raining down
what looked like candy coating on my table and shooting out what
looked like spider webs in every direction. I had no idea what it was
and hadda take it back to the nursery where I bought it. Killed off
the scale before the last half dozen leaves dropped. Damned if that
lil' tree didn't sprout new grouwth like a weed come Spring.

I'll take that "cool" advice w/ my next tree.

nb
 
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:56:06 -0600, Sqwertz
wrote:


I've never seen the show-- but I'd love to know what their method was.
I did the November taste test-- and thought that there was a
significant difference-- and I sure didn't have the best of Persian or
Key limes to start with.

Maybe my Persians were worse than normal? Maybe they had bad Key
limes?


I don't think I've ever seen those-- but in some weak moment I might
be tempted to try a potted tree.

Jim
 
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:43:58 -0500, Jim Elbrecht
wrote:


They probably did not have true Key Limes. They are almost impossible
to find any more. Most of the trees in Florida were destroyed a few
years ago because of some problem, don't remember what. My SIL in
Florida had a Key Lime tree at her previous house. She checked a
couple of years ago and it was gone. She said she found one at
Lowe's last year and grabbed and planted it. I will keep my fingers
crossed that it is a true one and grows and produces. She is nice
about sharing.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)
 
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 07:43:58 -0500, Jim Elbrecht wrote:


They just mentioned it in passing on an episode where they made a
lemon meringue and key lime pies. They didn't go into any details of
how they taste-tested (maybe it was a different show or mag article).
They used regular Persian limes for their "Key Lime" pie.


I emailed the local nursery after I posted that article and they said
they have hundreds of kaffir lime trees starting at $7. Then I asked
about bhut jolokia peppers and got this response:

"I have 3 - 128 count seedling trays of these little devils. They'll
be ready in 45 to 60 days. I'm also growing red, orange, and
chocolate habaneros, red and yellow scotch bonnets, and a new-mex
Hatch chili thats 6,000 scovilles, along with 30 other varieties of
peppers. We have bay, galangal, ginger, lemon grass, and tiger
stripped Thai eggplants for later in the spring."

Anybody in/near Austin can email me for the name of the place.

-sw
 
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:58:07 -0500, The Cook wrote:


It's my understanding that the variety is the same, the only
difference is that "true" key limes are grown in Florida. Whereas
nowadays they come from Mexico.

I buy them all the time but I'm not sure if they actually say "Key
Lime" on them. Here in Texas, Persian limes are the odd lime out and
key limes are the default for most applications.

-sw
 
Sqwertz wrote:

One doesn't use the juice. Just the skin and the leaves. I had a
kaffir lime tree but had to farm it out for the winter. I planned
to get a replacement but only have one south-facing window.

--
Jean B.
 
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:40:15 -0500, Jean B. wrote:


There was snothign wrong with the juice. It was strong, but just a
little made for a nice, aromatic lemonade.

There is nothing wrong with using the juice. Lots of Thai and SE
Asian recipes call for using the juice. I don't know how/where people
are getting that idea - Emeril? Sandra Lee?

1.8 million hits on Google for ["kaffir lime juice" recipe]:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...affir+lime+juice"+recipe&aq=f&aqi=g1&aql=&oq=

-sw
 
Sqwertz wrote:

No, from the Thai person who grows kaffir lime trees. I probably
have 4 feet of Thai cookbooks, and I don't think I have ever seen
a recipe that calls for the juice.

--
Jean B.
 
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 01:09:43 -0500, "Jean B." wrote:


I am on your side in this. While one can not say it is *never* used,
its use is quite unusual in cooking traditional dishes.

And here is what Kasma Loha-unchit says about it the lime.

http://www.thaifoodandtravel.com/ingredients/klime.html

"Kaffir lime (magrood): A profusely fragrant tropical citrus, kaffir
lime is indispensable in Thai cooking and cannot be substituted with
other kinds of citrus. The valued parts are the leaves (bai magrood)
and the peel (pew magrood) or zest of the limes. The juice is also
aromatic but is not generally used in cooking since its perfumy
quality can overpower light sour dishes. Both leaves and peel are
available frozen or dried if you are not able to find them fresh and
do not grow your own.

The dark green leaves come in double form ? a more pointed top leaf
joined to a more rounded bottom leaf. They impart not only a sweet,
lemony scent but a wondrous flavor of their own to soups, salads,
curries and stir-fried dishes. For watery simmered dishes, the leaves
are bruised and added whole; for dry dishes, they are cut into very
fine hairlike slivers. To sliver, stack a few leaves at a time and cut
at a slanted angle with a sharp knife; or use scissors.

Kaffir Lime PeelThe dark green limes have irregular bumpy surfaces,
and in the tropics, can grow larger than the common American lime,
though they usually are much smaller grown in temperate zones. Their
peel is even more richly perfumed than the leaves, with an exotic
flavor unlike the zest of any other citrus. Along with lemon grass and
galanga, kaffir lime peel is a foundation ingredient of most Thai
curries, giving a complexity of flavor that distinguishes them from
Indian curries.

If substituting with the dried forms, use the dried leaves like bay
leaves in watery simmered dishes; for dry dishes, soak in warm water
to reconstitute before slivering. The dried peel needs to be soaked to
soften before chopping and pounding with a heavy mortar and pestle to
reduce to paste. I find the dried peel imported from Thailand to have
a richer dimension of flavor than the peel from limes grown in
California. If you are not able to find the peel fresh or dried,
substitute with equal parts of fresh lime zest and minced kaffir lime
leaves.

Because kaffir lime is such an essential Thai flavoring ingredient and
both fresh leaves and lime peel are sometimes hard to find, it is
worth growing your own bush. Ask your local nursery to get you one; or
order directly from Four Winds Growers. If possible, start with a
better-established five-gallon size. If you do not live in a
frost-free area, grow it in a planter that you can wheel indoors for
the winter. During the warm months, give it plenty of water, citrus
fertilizer and sunshine. Prune to a bushy shape, and when established,
harvest leaves in the summer to freeze for the cold months when growth
slows. Sealed in a plastic bag, both leaves and limes freeze well and
keep for a year or more. If you are not ambitious about making your
own curry pastes, keep the bush from fruiting too heavily at the
expense of leaf production."
 
Boron Elgar wrote:

Oh! Given what she says, it sounds like a great thing to use--as
long as one expects it to be really strong. Of course, this is
rather moot until I a) get another tree, and b) get mature limes.

BTW, how does one tell when they are mature, since they just stay
green? The only lime that my poor deceased tree produced was
stolen by some critter as I waited for it to ripen.

--
Jean B.
 
Boron Elgar wrote:

I started out with 3 fruits, IIRC. Two kind-of aborted. The
third was fine. I just didn't know when it was ripe and failed to
retrieve it before some animal did. I was heart-broken. (That is
only slightly too strong a description of what I felt.)

--
Jean B.
 
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