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... the idea of "original sin" is totally foreign to Judaism.
Although Genesis is from the Jewish scriptures, Judaism does not believe in original sin.
As a matter of biblical fact (according to "the tree of life" reference), humans die because death is a natural part of existence, and has always been.
Judaism teaches that although we have a tendency toward "sin" because of our human nature, we are in fact born pure, innocent and without sin.
* ** So where (and when) did the idea of original sin - according to Christianity - begin?** *
You are incorrect, and your NT quotes have no bearing on the Garden of Eden story. According to Judaism, Adam did not die because he left the garden. He died because he had not eaten from the tree of life which would have given him immortality. God is gave us a choice to either remain perfect in a perfect (spiritual) world, or we can ingest the knowledge of good and evil and become mortal. What purpose could there be in remaining perfect? Mortality isn't punishment, but only natural consequence.
To quote, "So too the other "curses" - pain in childbirth and difficulty in making a living are the natural consequences of Eve's choice, because from now on, all achievement has to be earned, which means that nothing can be "born" without hardship. As descendants of Adam and Eve we have inherited this path - the path of facing challenges, fighting evil and trying to bring the world back to its previou"
... to its previous perfection.
All your quotes are from Paul, who was not a religious Jew. Your quotes are not from Jesus, who was. So you are saying essentially that "original sin" is a Christian doctrine with no ties to Judaism.
Although Genesis is from the Jewish scriptures, Judaism does not believe in original sin.
As a matter of biblical fact (according to "the tree of life" reference), humans die because death is a natural part of existence, and has always been.
Judaism teaches that although we have a tendency toward "sin" because of our human nature, we are in fact born pure, innocent and without sin.
* ** So where (and when) did the idea of original sin - according to Christianity - begin?** *
You are incorrect, and your NT quotes have no bearing on the Garden of Eden story. According to Judaism, Adam did not die because he left the garden. He died because he had not eaten from the tree of life which would have given him immortality. God is gave us a choice to either remain perfect in a perfect (spiritual) world, or we can ingest the knowledge of good and evil and become mortal. What purpose could there be in remaining perfect? Mortality isn't punishment, but only natural consequence.
To quote, "So too the other "curses" - pain in childbirth and difficulty in making a living are the natural consequences of Eve's choice, because from now on, all achievement has to be earned, which means that nothing can be "born" without hardship. As descendants of Adam and Eve we have inherited this path - the path of facing challenges, fighting evil and trying to bring the world back to its previou"
... to its previous perfection.
All your quotes are from Paul, who was not a religious Jew. Your quotes are not from Jesus, who was. So you are saying essentially that "original sin" is a Christian doctrine with no ties to Judaism.