Jay Smith debunks Islam in Leicester July 1998 debate with Shabir Ally? Does this...

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...link disprove qurans claims? http://debate.org.uk/topics/isamasih/apr99/archeo.htm

Islam is an amazing religion. With there may be misconceptions though it's hard to believe it is peaceful. I'm quite sure it is not as in there are cruel doctrines, but doesn't its jesus description have a point? Early christians, if you research hard, you will see they believed in no trinity. Is there evidence they did not believe he was crucified like the quran says? Apparently not. As in, they didn't mention it. So at least that doesn't disprove that he wasn't crucified. Why do people say it was a historical fact the crucifixion? Aren't records of jesus scarce anywhere (non-biblical sources i mean)? And that they could have been part of those terribly destroyed in alexander library or something.
To me no religion is true so I just wonder if there is an equal chance for islam to be true revelation after bible? Because there is a hell alot of council and constantine political controversy going on (da vinci code mentions Nicaea)
muslims claim the matchless style of the Qur'an and the superior wisdom in it are definite evidence that it is the word of God and in addition, the Qur'an has many miraculous attributes proving that it is a revelation from God. One of these attributes is the fact that a number of scientific truths that we have only been able to uncover by the technology of the 20th century were stated in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago.
One side will say it is scientifically right. the other side says sperm is between back bone and something. whats the truth? I know muslims r instructed to lie so not trustworthy. like they use all the discredited random documents like apocalypse of peter which are false documents. But is there evidence jesus wasnt crucified? I know islam is a bad religion but the muslim way of life seems to cool and i'm reli interested, despite my christianity investigation which has convinced me by far islam compared is a false cult. plz muslims see the link and respond to it
Verify my source...um, just read it ok? Your religion is false. If this doesnt prove to you you r delusional, then the fact u hav not killed urself yet is the proof that u r so ignorant of ur own faith. because ur faith teaches to kill the infidels. No, not randomly but in response to an attack and yes I admit America is a tyrant supporting a muslim holocaust worldwide. dont get me wrong. just listen to al qaida and follow their example if u reli r a believer. thats wot the quran says. y else did 9/11 happen? just insane misinterpreted extremism? if u feel uncomfortable about beheading people like me, then reflect on wot is the truth so u may re-decide on whether u shud follow religion or not because religion only causes destruction.

Dude...my source is that of Jay Smith. A debate in 1995. Read it fool.
 
lmfao @ muslims are allowed to lie..... mmm.. perhaps i should suggest you go back to your research...and where ever you find that little '''''saying''''''' you verify its source? because i know where you guys pick this up from and i know its no more then a twisting of words from the other end.... other then that... i dont really care if you follow islam and christianity.. as far as i can see...i can bash the christian theology of worshipping a man even though their bible says he is but a mere ''''worm'''' in the sight of God.....

job 25-4
And the stars are not pure in His sight,
How much less man, that maggot,
And the son of man, that worm!"


the bible confirms for me over and over he is no more then a man

"Men of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God " (acts 2:22) --- what is he... a man attested by 'God' ... a prophet ... and no more... better then us... indeed by multitudes.. but still a worm compared to God.

Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, 1 Timothy 6:16 - No one saw God

havent people seen Jesus...?

Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind

isnt Jesus the son of man....


it is interesting to also note that through out the start of the gospels.... the first 13 times Jesus says ' your Father ' ..... christians dont notice that.... but on the 14th occassion when he says ' my Father' they ascribe to him a false charge of being Gods begotten son. For God who created Adam without a mother and father.... it really is no problem to create Jesus without a father..

finally... as far as the crucifixtion goes...... the new revised standard version of the bible completely threw out the final parts of the gospel ' jesus's resurrection bit' as an alleged 'addition and distortion' which is not to be found in the historical documents. perhaps you should look into it... they added it back after a humongous protest by the churches however, they still have this mentioned in the reference notes.

perhaps you should also note that Jesus himself says ... ' for as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the whale so shall the son of man be in the belly of the earth'......... Jonah was '''''alive'''''' in the belly of the whale.. he didnt resurrect.. he was alive and praying.


another angle to look from is a 'merciful God' ... a merciful God put a 'sinless' man on the cross to die for a bunch of sinners... does that sound merciful...? or a merciful God saved a 'sinless' man from the clutches of a bunch of sinners.. i find this to be a merciful attribute of God. How could a merciful God let His 'annointed one ' who has no sin attributed to Him, be humiliated by a bunch of sinners.. He didnt..




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if my religion had said behead the infidels.. you christians couldnt even have survived... history negates your viewpoint.... spain today is a christian country.. with a dominant christian majority.. how did that come to be.. if the muslims were beheading 'infidels'..? we ruled spain for 800 years...you can wipe out entire regions of christianity if you behead them for 2 centuries.... let alone 8...so you are wrong

there are today 10 million coptic christians in egypt.. yet egypt has been ruled by muslims for 14 centuries... except for a lil gap here n there..... how have they survived if muslims were 'beheading' infidels.....

im sorry to say... but.. jay smith is not a source.. you are quoting him without checking up on his references.. .find out where he gets his info from .. and then read that info... other then... that... to you your religion.. to me mine.. i would not worship a man... sorry.. you can keep doing so by all means..

what you are stating is based on 'your' opinion... perhaps you should base your opinion on Jesus himself... you christians worship Jesus yet call him a liar.. for he says

hear o israel, your Lord is one God... worship Him and love Him with all your heart.

( you say... God is one in 3.. Jesus says.. 1... you say worship Jesus... he says worship God.)

the proof of islam being the right way is from the bible... itself ...

for those that distort and put partners with God.. Jesus says it outloud clear.

'in vain do they worship me, teaching the commandments of doctrine of man.'

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you say believe in Jesus and you will be saved

he says ' if thou willeth enter eternal life, obey the commandments '...

in every aspect of christianity i see what Jesus himself says being belittled..

finally as far as the infidel thing goes...perhaps you would like to open the bible and read


Leviticus 24:14
"Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him.
 
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