After all my bitching and complaining about no bass, i have to apologize to JMjohn! I'm a big boy if i can complain i can also apologize.To start with i installed speakers , took longer than it should have, but i could live with that.Played quite a few cd's and to be honest i was not happy with the sound. Fast forward to today , stopped by Radio Shack and picked up a cord for my ipod. What a HUGE difference!!!!! Yes these speakers ROCK!!! Is the factory head unit a P.O.S.? I am amazed at the difference in sound with the ipod. If the Amp adds this much of an improvement i'll be getting an amp! Speakers now sound the way i thought they would, i dont think it's a speaker issue i'm having, its the factory head unit! Anybody have input on why it sounds so much better? Now i have to find an ipod mount!