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Is too much track time bad for the bike?
- Thread starter sbosse16
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YourDarkestRomance
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It's simple really:
The harder an engine works, the more wear and tear on componentry.
Here's an example I'm familiar with:
A Guzzi MGS-01 (track-only) bike, and its progenitor, the Daytona RS:
Mechanically identical bikes (the MGS-01 has a wider bore to bring it to 1200cc). The 1000cc Daytona puts out 104hp, the racer close to 130hp. The owner's manual states that the cylinder heads are to be stripped down and valve guides checked/replaced every 100 track hours....the Daytona streetbike needs them "checked" at 40000kms....
Get it?
jdw
The harder an engine works, the more wear and tear on componentry.
Here's an example I'm familiar with:
A Guzzi MGS-01 (track-only) bike, and its progenitor, the Daytona RS:
Mechanically identical bikes (the MGS-01 has a wider bore to bring it to 1200cc). The 1000cc Daytona puts out 104hp, the racer close to 130hp. The owner's manual states that the cylinder heads are to be stripped down and valve guides checked/replaced every 100 track hours....the Daytona streetbike needs them "checked" at 40000kms....
Get it?
jdw
Dude, you are completely off the charts as far as comparisons are concerned.
A race-spec bike vs a street counterpart are 2 completely different bikes! Your example even say so... 1200cc vs 1000cc... valve check every 100hrs vs 40000kms.
We are talking about the same kind of bike, one ridden on the street vs one that has been ridden on the track.
It's like you are comparing Ducati F09 vs a 1098 base...
Remember what the guy is asking...
"in terms of the condition of a bike after use, would it be better to have a bike that has been tracked, but well taken cared vs a bike that just remains on the street and is maintained?"
Most track bikes are ridden in 20-30 min sessions, at about 60% throttle. If the guy has track experience, there is a good chance he knows his bike more than the guy who has a street bike.
A race-spec bike vs a street counterpart are 2 completely different bikes! Your example even say so... 1200cc vs 1000cc... valve check every 100hrs vs 40000kms.
We are talking about the same kind of bike, one ridden on the street vs one that has been ridden on the track.
It's like you are comparing Ducati F09 vs a 1098 base...
Remember what the guy is asking...
"in terms of the condition of a bike after use, would it be better to have a bike that has been tracked, but well taken cared vs a bike that just remains on the street and is maintained?"
Most track bikes are ridden in 20-30 min sessions, at about 60% throttle. If the guy has track experience, there is a good chance he knows his bike more than the guy who has a street bike.
maybe one should look at it this way, seeing the above comparison eluded to it:
which bike will be in a better condition (all other things being equal), the track 848 with 'x' amount of revolutions on the engine or the street 848 with 'x' (same) amount of revolutions on the engine. note i'm saying revolutions and not hours or miles.
will the two engines be the same or will one be better than the other, i don't know?
which bike will be in a better condition (all other things being equal), the track 848 with 'x' amount of revolutions on the engine or the street 848 with 'x' (same) amount of revolutions on the engine. note i'm saying revolutions and not hours or miles.
will the two engines be the same or will one be better than the other, i don't know?
Not at all...
You allusion to a "GP-bike" is wide of the mark... Think more along the lines of 848 vs 1098 and you get the idea; (mechanically identical, remember?). In fact the 2 Guzzis I showed are even closer than that (same crankcases, etc)
I use the Guzzis as examples only because I've got the owner's manual to both, and have the Daytona engine sitting in my garage (along with a multitude of spares - oil pumps, gears, etc)....so I know these motors like the back of hand (the OEM part numbers are identical for chrissakes!)
jdw
You allusion to a "GP-bike" is wide of the mark... Think more along the lines of 848 vs 1098 and you get the idea; (mechanically identical, remember?). In fact the 2 Guzzis I showed are even closer than that (same crankcases, etc)
I use the Guzzis as examples only because I've got the owner's manual to both, and have the Daytona engine sitting in my garage (along with a multitude of spares - oil pumps, gears, etc)....so I know these motors like the back of hand (the OEM part numbers are identical for chrissakes!)
jdw
Fair enough Jonny! touche'
I'm sticking with my answer and saying it depends on the owner. You could tell a lot about a bike just by talking to the owner to see if he's a douche or if he knows whats up.
I've seen bikes fully tracked out for a couple years and the owner kept the oem plastics, oem parts and wire harness.
Once the newest bike came out, they'll swapped back all the parts and sell it as a street bike.
To the average buyer, they couldn't even tell and as a matter of fact the track bike would probably sell quicker b/c the oem fairings are in better condition then a bike that has been primarily on the street (swirl marks, road grime, rock pits etc)
It happens all the time...
I'm sticking with my answer and saying it depends on the owner. You could tell a lot about a bike just by talking to the owner to see if he's a douche or if he knows whats up.
I've seen bikes fully tracked out for a couple years and the owner kept the oem plastics, oem parts and wire harness.
Once the newest bike came out, they'll swapped back all the parts and sell it as a street bike.
To the average buyer, they couldn't even tell and as a matter of fact the track bike would probably sell quicker b/c the oem fairings are in better condition then a bike that has been primarily on the street (swirl marks, road grime, rock pits etc)
It happens all the time...
luvinlife2525
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I know this is a Ducati forum but you can't assume the question is aimed primarily toward Ducatis. I'm talking about sportbikes in general and the age group is probably in the 20-30yr range.
You don't think a guy who pulls wheelies, does rolling stoppies, pins the throttle at a stop light while in neutral isn't as bad as a bike that has been ridden "aggressively" on the track.
You don't think a guy who pulls wheelies, does rolling stoppies, pins the throttle at a stop light while in neutral isn't as bad as a bike that has been ridden "aggressively" on the track.
Does that mean I have to do a psychological profile on the vendor to determine how "aggressive" they are with the bike?
As I've said, if we start with the "what if" game then all bets are off.
Look, what we have here is one opinion (yours) that a trackbike is a better buy because they have more mods / have been looked after better (a giant leap of faith from some of the trackday regulars I see!) / swap track plastics so keep the originals looking better....etc.
My opinion is that all machines will wear, and machines that work harder will wear faster (and the Guzzi identical engine story is but one example).
If you'd prefer to buy a bike that has spent a good deal of its life at the track then good luck with that.
SchumiB and BettyBloop can make up their own minds....
jdw
As I've said, if we start with the "what if" game then all bets are off.
Look, what we have here is one opinion (yours) that a trackbike is a better buy because they have more mods / have been looked after better (a giant leap of faith from some of the trackday regulars I see!) / swap track plastics so keep the originals looking better....etc.
My opinion is that all machines will wear, and machines that work harder will wear faster (and the Guzzi identical engine story is but one example).
If you'd prefer to buy a bike that has spent a good deal of its life at the track then good luck with that.
SchumiB and BettyBloop can make up their own minds....
jdw
ora shinchan
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No, you don't have to profile them but having some common sense will help!
Agree that engines that work harder wear out faster but these engines are stress tested prior to leaving the factory.
We are talking about running a bike on track during a track day! We are not talking about an endurance race or even a sanctioned event w/6 laps.
This is what these bikes are made for; to run fast and to run hard.
Agree that engines that work harder wear out faster but these engines are stress tested prior to leaving the factory.
We are talking about running a bike on track during a track day! We are not talking about an endurance race or even a sanctioned event w/6 laps.
This is what these bikes are made for; to run fast and to run hard.