Is the medicine v quackery debate almost as nasty as the atheism v religion debate?

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You can also be open-minded while accepting that there is no scientific basis for believing in homeopathy, religion etc.
Ron: that's not how science works. You can't disprove homeopathy any more than you can disprove religion.
 
I agree, natural medicine is the only way to truly heal any ailment. Allopaths are quacks......
 
Assuming that by quackery you are referring to alternative medicine, i.e. the stuff that has been around for thousands of years. I do not advocate for either side, but do bear in mind (1) the millions (should that be billions) of dollars/pounds that the pharmaceutical companies make and are anxious to protect and (2) that most people turning to alternative/natural remedies. have already tried the more Orthodox route.

As for religious bigotry, I think there are a lot of faults on both sides. I have seen some postings on this forum that come from supposedly Christian people who I feel should go back to their bibles and study the life of the person they claim to follow. Threatening hell and damnation to an atheist is really such a waste of time - they don't believe in either!
 
As Dr Frank intimated, there is no quandry, Atheism and Religion are faiths and can never be proven.

Medicine v quackery on the other hand can, all medicines are tried and tested, the results of penicilin for example can be replicated in any part of the world, quackery such as homeopathy on the other hand cannot.

If you took all the labels off all the antibiotics in a pharmacy, without analysing them, you could find out what each one was active against by trials against known pathogens, if you did the same in a homeopathy store you would end up with a load of unidentifiable sugar tablets.

Of course no-one has died from homeopathy, there's no active ingredients left in them.

Have a look at this clip and explain to me how it is supposed to work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U
 
Quacks and religious bigots rely on superstition and neuroses.

I am perplexed that some doctors also fall victim to religious dogma.

Would you expect impartial advice from a doctor of Christian, Muslim or Jewish faith?

- in some cases the answer has to be no.

Its not just nasty, it is also personal, I think that patients should have the right to know the faith of their doctor and their views (for example on abortion).
 
Both arguments, religious and medical, are fuelled by money and greed. Established medical practitioners do not like 'unqualified' persons, who they deem as 'quacks' coming onto their turf and taking would-be patients away. You know, the guy in the zoot-suit selling the cure-all snake-oil juice.

Likewise all established religions guard their incomes with extreme jealousy and proclaim that all other religions, save their own, are false. This is particularly so in the Muslim world where everyone else other than themselves is described as an unbeliever or an Infidel.

Beware of false prophets etc.

Both debates/arguments are nasty in the extreme.

Personally all doctors are just a bunch of quacks and relgious fanatics are in the same boat - raving mad. So mad in fact that they think they have a God given right to murder millions of people in the name of their god creature.

Would any of us pay more than mere passing attention to a nutter who called upon us to murder our neighbours just because they did not come to our Mosque, Temple or Church?

No?

You sure about that?

Look around, it's happening in a neighbourhood near where you live.

I know, I'm a Londoner.
 
doctors practice as if they are a "preist" so therefore is much like religion.
 
haha i've been sucked into the war between the religious and athiests. and from my experience, I've never seen a christian use any bigotry in any question - whereas i see quite alot of athiests keep calling the religious full of bigot and calling them delirious in theirs. does this sound hypocritical?

funny thing is, you never hear of any deaths, side effects, or failures from homeopathy and natural medicine. but you always hear the sceptics call the practitioners scammers and their patients gullible.

lastly, energy medicine, herbal medicine, and all these "new age" medicine techniques, have kept civilizations surviving over thousands of years. how can it possibly be wrong? can all diseases (like cancer, bacterial infections, chicken pox, etc) be byproducts of the placebo effect? i think its time for sceptics and athiests to learn a little from their elder's wise teachings.
 
dude, its all in the chi. i mean people have been using alternative treatments for years. nevermind that the life expectancy was 30, if people have been using them that long they HAVE TO work!
 
it's all personal isn't it. Some religious people are fundamentalist nutcases while others are full of compassion and generosity. Likewise their are doctors who attack alternative therapies and those who appreciate their subtleties use them to supplement their treatment. As well as natural therapy practitioners who admit to the limits of their abilities and tell you to go to the doctor.
in essence it is the personality, not the theory that decides.
You can be pigheaded and fundamentalist or open and intelligent about anything.
 
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