Is the Antarctic cooling paper proof that some members in the climate science...

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...community are driven by ....? ... an agenda, and not science?

In the 1990s, predictions of a greenhouse-warmed Antarctic abounded. As time passed, though, problems surfaced. Research paper after paper indicated that, other than the tiny Antarctica peninsula, the continent was in fact cooling—and had been doing so for many decades.

The climate science community quickly spun a number of possible explanations, including ozone holes, ocean currents, and terrain that cut off Antarctica from the world’s warming. As the certainty in the cooling trend grew, so did their statements, until they eventually began stating that they had predicted a cooling trend all along. As the folks at RealClimate put it, “Doesn’t this contradict [global warming]? Not at all, because a cold Antarctica is just what calculations predict and have predicted for the past quarter century.” Cooling was thus cast as proof of global warming, not refutation.

Speaking at a news conference today, Steig (the main author of the current Antarctic warming paper) said, “We now see warming is taking place [in] accord with what models predict as a response to greenhouse gases.”

Why else would they do such a major flip flop on their positions?
Ken: here is a link by a paper by Shindell saying cooling is consistent with models.
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2004/2004_Shindell_Schmidt.pdf

Here is a link from the NY Times were Shindell says "It’s extremely difficult to think of any physical way that you could have increasing greenhouse gases not lead to warming at the Antarctic continent.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/22/science/earth/22climate.html?_r=2&hp
 
No. What agenda do you think that they might have, besides making observations and reporting their findings?

A. This new study still concludes that the parts of Antarctica (East Antarctica) have cooled during the past few decades (1980's and 1990's).

B. Also, the study does not contradict the widely-accepted interpretation that recent East Antarctic cooling is related to an increasing strength of the circumpolar westerlies, and that this increased strength can be traced to ozone losses in the stratosphere.
 
Sources please?

Science is constantly hypothesizing and changing hypothesis as new evidence becomes available. Those hypothesis which hold up to scrutiny and repeated analysis/experimentation survive to become accepted theories. Through that process we move toward a better understanding of reality. Calling new papers that incorporate additional evidence "flip flops" is a complete misunderstanding of the scientific process.

If you can point to a quote where Dr. Steig said "A is true" and then a later paper where Dr. Steig says "A is false", then you might have something of interest. But all you've posted here are vague claims.
 
these people who are lying about the climate, and who are trying to control the population by making up this global warming hoax need to be put to death for what they are doing. IT's no longer funny or just an annoyance. These people are trying to kill off the world's population and are so far succeeding in brainwashing most people like lemmings to follow the pied piper to their death and destruction.
 
Wow! The Kool-Aid drinkers out out tonight!

Antarctic ice is gaining mass at an average rate of 1.1% per decade. Last year the Antarctic ice mass was 15% above normal, last year, the ice mass was 10% above normal levels. I'm sure some believers will say this is proof that the ice is melting. This just shows their convoluted thinking, or proof that they see what they want to see.

The Antarctic ice mass has gained mass every year its been measured. There's never been any loss of Antarctic ice.

Any other comment is an attempt to defraud.

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/s_plot.png
 
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