B
bastardoanonimo
Guest
actually, we do, meetings are on thursdays
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
Illegals"They come here for a better life" and "Jobs Americans Won't Do"
I
icanbreakthesecuffs
Guest
true, it's also a way for democrats to get votes
S
Scottwax
Guest
Mexicans are used car lot lizards. They can have all that business they want.
G
Ghost of Swayze
Guest
alot of them are very religious and vote republican too.
P
popnfresh
Guest
if it was taken from there, maybe you shoulda left it there
and in fact go post over there so no one on ot has to look at your stupid shit ever again
and in fact go post over there so no one on ot has to look at your stupid shit ever again
P
POScar
Guest
Poor people... WANT TO MAKE MONEY? PREPOSTEROUS!
M
momentum
Guest
this was taken from ats.com
I have heard a lot of this said lately regarding Illegal Immigrants.
I was wondering how this would sound as an excuse for any other criminal act or even a lowly misdemeanor. I don't think I've ever heard it used to excuse any other crime or breaking of the law.
"Officer...I stole that man's car because I wanted a better life!" hmmm...nope that doesn't sound right.
"Your Honor...I submit my Defendant robbed the bank because he was poor...and just wanted a better life"....nope....that doesn't work either.
"Your Honor....they broke into the house and stole jewelry because they just wanted a better life"...nope
"Officer...I was just speeding because I needed to get to my girlfriends house for a quickie...it helps me have a better life"....not that either.
"Officer....I'm driving drunk because I temporarily thought it would lead to a better life. I also sell crack and make a lot of money....for a better life of course."
So now that we see that cannot fly for an excuse, please STOP ALL PRETENDING it will jibe with REALITY.
Illegal Immigration...more than anything is a crime of RESOURCE. Yes, there are resources that every nation possesses. Some more than others depending on location. This is why we started TRADING between nations. Why entire economies were built around TRADE.
A nation allocates certain RESOURCES to it's citizens. It is done by Census, City Planning, State planning, budgets, banks, business. Just about EVERYTHING a nation and it's government does evolves around the need of it's citizens...even allocated Representatives to Congress.
Nationality is not about PRIDE in your Government, because politicians and Governments make bad choices that don't represent us. Nationality is about PRIDE in your HOST...your HOUSE. America is a HOME to it's citizens. It's our home at the MACRO level.
When a foreign entity invades, degrades, usurps, or migrates to the HOST country at an unexpected rate, RESOURCES get thrown out of alignment. RESOURCES that can be used for LEGAL hosts citizens, eventually get thrown to the ILLEGAL occupants.
Resources like jobs, hospitals, schools, taxes, property, VOTES, health care, public funds, land, food...it hits all levels.
A lot has been said about the fact that OUR (Americas) Illegals contribute BACK as much if not more than they take. I have yet to see a study which shows this definitely...I hold my breath.
Let's take the Mexican Illegal Immigrants. It's estimated that money sent to Mexico from Illegals here, has been in the hundreds of BILLIONS, since the early 90's, the onslaught from NAFTA. Aside from Mexico's oil business, America acts as it's welfare office. We basically help float Mexico's whole economy.
Aside from what we pay in expenses HERE to combat the problem, we are propping up another country by our dollars flying out to them. I think from all the money we've given, we've deserved a few Million acres of land by now.
Illegal Immigration is about affecting another persons HOST..dismantling it's allocated RESOURCES...and THIEVERY. Yes, it's more complex, but at it's base, it's thievery of another's sovereign right to their collective funds, resources, as well as individual right to equally share in it between citizens....us.
So let's go to another RESOURCE....JOBS.
"JOBS THAT AMERICAN WON"T DO"
In another thread I posted the jobs that I have observed go out the door here in Los Angeles and greater California. Since I have lived most of my life in Los Angeles in many different neighborhoods, have lived all over California too, and know it like the back of my hand. I feel qualified to report what I KNOW to be true about our economy.
Here is just a list from the top of my head of jobs "Americans" won't do":
1) HVAC installation. Heating and air conditioning....many Illegals in that field, I know them.
2) Digital cable and satellite installation...Illegals in that too.
3) MOST commercial and residential building companies along with day laborers. Many Journeyman level jobs that SPECIALIZE....Illegals took it over too.
4) Telecom industry.
5) Shipping and receiving.
6) Warehouse and manufacturing.
7) Assembly for GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS... even lower levels of BOEING. Aerospace tech and such.
8) Airline industry...yep...them too.
9) Computer and I.T. support.
10) Hospitality industry which use to pay workers well.....almost ALL GONE by Illegals.
11) Landscaping..which use to be a respected art form in ways and earned good money.... GONE. Landscaping was once a serious career until the cheap labor. Many younger people don't remember that.
12) GOVERNMENT JOBS. Yep you read that right. County level and city level people who wear suits and ties and have their own CUBICLES and phone lines. Guess what, many are here Illegally.
13) Retail.....many jobs that American college kids could take to help family....taken.
14) Security industry. Here in Los Angeles...almost all guys fresh off the boat from Israel, Russia, and South American countries for the smaller jobs.
15) Restaurant industry. Chefs, line chefs, cooks, waiters, even managers....taken.
16) Manufacturing and assembly...taken.
17) Cashier jobs for small businesses. Taken.
18) Almost all of the retail spaces in Downtown Los Angeles....GONE. I mean GONE. And filled with cheap crap from China to their heart's delight.
19) The whole "CITY OF INDUSTRY" here in California is FILLED with Illegal Immigrant labor.
20) Car Washes...which guys use to make tips off of back when I was young....GONE. People actually payed RENT and bills from working at a car wash at one time, can you believe it?
21) Go on CRAIGSLIST and submit a job in the "Los Angeles" section. See what kind of people will FLOOD your email. Just do it as a test. Then tell us what you find. Then tell those people in a return email that you use "E-VERIFY" for legal status. See how many of them stop calling. I dare you.
I could have listed MANY more jobs and industries. But the kick is, a place like Los Angeles does NOT CARE if you are Illegal or not. Many people don't understand this very BASIC truth of it. We are so SLAMMED with Illegals, that employers don't even care to run a check because nobody enforces it anyways.
Illegals and Legal Citizens can both get the SAME JOBS if they possess the same skill. Even Managerial and "suit and tie" jobs. It's not just "fruit pickers" and "gardeners" anymore. It's a whole underground economy.
cliffs: They took ur jerbs!!!
I have heard a lot of this said lately regarding Illegal Immigrants.
I was wondering how this would sound as an excuse for any other criminal act or even a lowly misdemeanor. I don't think I've ever heard it used to excuse any other crime or breaking of the law.
"Officer...I stole that man's car because I wanted a better life!" hmmm...nope that doesn't sound right.
"Your Honor...I submit my Defendant robbed the bank because he was poor...and just wanted a better life"....nope....that doesn't work either.
"Your Honor....they broke into the house and stole jewelry because they just wanted a better life"...nope
"Officer...I was just speeding because I needed to get to my girlfriends house for a quickie...it helps me have a better life"....not that either.
"Officer....I'm driving drunk because I temporarily thought it would lead to a better life. I also sell crack and make a lot of money....for a better life of course."
So now that we see that cannot fly for an excuse, please STOP ALL PRETENDING it will jibe with REALITY.
Illegal Immigration...more than anything is a crime of RESOURCE. Yes, there are resources that every nation possesses. Some more than others depending on location. This is why we started TRADING between nations. Why entire economies were built around TRADE.
A nation allocates certain RESOURCES to it's citizens. It is done by Census, City Planning, State planning, budgets, banks, business. Just about EVERYTHING a nation and it's government does evolves around the need of it's citizens...even allocated Representatives to Congress.
Nationality is not about PRIDE in your Government, because politicians and Governments make bad choices that don't represent us. Nationality is about PRIDE in your HOST...your HOUSE. America is a HOME to it's citizens. It's our home at the MACRO level.
When a foreign entity invades, degrades, usurps, or migrates to the HOST country at an unexpected rate, RESOURCES get thrown out of alignment. RESOURCES that can be used for LEGAL hosts citizens, eventually get thrown to the ILLEGAL occupants.
Resources like jobs, hospitals, schools, taxes, property, VOTES, health care, public funds, land, food...it hits all levels.
A lot has been said about the fact that OUR (Americas) Illegals contribute BACK as much if not more than they take. I have yet to see a study which shows this definitely...I hold my breath.
Let's take the Mexican Illegal Immigrants. It's estimated that money sent to Mexico from Illegals here, has been in the hundreds of BILLIONS, since the early 90's, the onslaught from NAFTA. Aside from Mexico's oil business, America acts as it's welfare office. We basically help float Mexico's whole economy.
Aside from what we pay in expenses HERE to combat the problem, we are propping up another country by our dollars flying out to them. I think from all the money we've given, we've deserved a few Million acres of land by now.
Illegal Immigration is about affecting another persons HOST..dismantling it's allocated RESOURCES...and THIEVERY. Yes, it's more complex, but at it's base, it's thievery of another's sovereign right to their collective funds, resources, as well as individual right to equally share in it between citizens....us.
So let's go to another RESOURCE....JOBS.
"JOBS THAT AMERICAN WON"T DO"
In another thread I posted the jobs that I have observed go out the door here in Los Angeles and greater California. Since I have lived most of my life in Los Angeles in many different neighborhoods, have lived all over California too, and know it like the back of my hand. I feel qualified to report what I KNOW to be true about our economy.
Here is just a list from the top of my head of jobs "Americans" won't do":
1) HVAC installation. Heating and air conditioning....many Illegals in that field, I know them.
2) Digital cable and satellite installation...Illegals in that too.
3) MOST commercial and residential building companies along with day laborers. Many Journeyman level jobs that SPECIALIZE....Illegals took it over too.
4) Telecom industry.
5) Shipping and receiving.
6) Warehouse and manufacturing.
7) Assembly for GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS... even lower levels of BOEING. Aerospace tech and such.
8) Airline industry...yep...them too.
9) Computer and I.T. support.
10) Hospitality industry which use to pay workers well.....almost ALL GONE by Illegals.
11) Landscaping..which use to be a respected art form in ways and earned good money.... GONE. Landscaping was once a serious career until the cheap labor. Many younger people don't remember that.
12) GOVERNMENT JOBS. Yep you read that right. County level and city level people who wear suits and ties and have their own CUBICLES and phone lines. Guess what, many are here Illegally.
13) Retail.....many jobs that American college kids could take to help family....taken.
14) Security industry. Here in Los Angeles...almost all guys fresh off the boat from Israel, Russia, and South American countries for the smaller jobs.
15) Restaurant industry. Chefs, line chefs, cooks, waiters, even managers....taken.
16) Manufacturing and assembly...taken.
17) Cashier jobs for small businesses. Taken.
18) Almost all of the retail spaces in Downtown Los Angeles....GONE. I mean GONE. And filled with cheap crap from China to their heart's delight.
19) The whole "CITY OF INDUSTRY" here in California is FILLED with Illegal Immigrant labor.
20) Car Washes...which guys use to make tips off of back when I was young....GONE. People actually payed RENT and bills from working at a car wash at one time, can you believe it?
21) Go on CRAIGSLIST and submit a job in the "Los Angeles" section. See what kind of people will FLOOD your email. Just do it as a test. Then tell us what you find. Then tell those people in a return email that you use "E-VERIFY" for legal status. See how many of them stop calling. I dare you.
I could have listed MANY more jobs and industries. But the kick is, a place like Los Angeles does NOT CARE if you are Illegal or not. Many people don't understand this very BASIC truth of it. We are so SLAMMED with Illegals, that employers don't even care to run a check because nobody enforces it anyways.
Illegals and Legal Citizens can both get the SAME JOBS if they possess the same skill. Even Managerial and "suit and tie" jobs. It's not just "fruit pickers" and "gardeners" anymore. It's a whole underground economy.
cliffs: They took ur jerbs!!!
S
Scottwax
Guest
I hope your whole family gets cancer because you disagree with me.
I
icanbreakthesecuffs
Guest
some, but the majority still are democrats
especially the ones that are illegal
especially the ones that are illegal
B
buttslut
Guest
Yes we should let the drug cartels in...that sounds like a terrific idea.
S
seventh circle
Guest
Don't ever tell me I should be tortured for disagreeing with you because that's how this whole thing started
A
AndyB
Guest
Remove unemployment, welfare and any other social safety nets and those jobs americans wont due will sure as hell get filled quickly
V
vurb
Guest
Man with clue posts on OT.
C
cooly
Guest
wtf is with all this illegal immigrant shit flooding my ot's
I
icanbreakthesecuffs
Guest
i agree, but not because of what you said, but because i wanna see the shit storm happen and then all of the "racists" americans can say we told ya so
Y
yobri
Guest
inorite lawl
B
bernie
Guest
stop buying california produce.
M
Mercedes
Guest
good god whoah
C
cooly
Guest
FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD:
Y
Yoritomo
Guest
Tell those fuckers to go stand in the day-worker gathering place.
Edit: I just figure out what you meant I thought you were referring to beggers. You're talking about sign flippers/costumed living advertisements.
Edit: I just figure out what you meant I thought you were referring to beggers. You're talking about sign flippers/costumed living advertisements.