Ok so I found a 09 Honda Civic Lx. Its preowned and has 2300 miles on it. They are asking $16995. Another dealer priced the same car but a 2010 model brand new for $18395. Its ridiculous to me to pay that much for a preowned year older vehicle. Please. If I'm gonna pay that much I'm getting the brand new one. Anyways my question is how much do you think I can talk him down? At a OTD price? And how should I do? Right now we're negotiating through the internet. I'm not even going up there until he comes down on it. Any suggestions? Thanks for any help. This is my first new car purchase. Or new to me. lol