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sten
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...the extra mileage hoped? where are the vacum lines located in my 06 chevy equinox
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has anyone tried the hydrogen gas converter in a chevrolet equinox, I have not getting..
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kelly_f_1999
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Scam car makers are still working on them and have not got many made yet that works so really you think something that cost a few bucks was going to work sorry you lost your money on something that has been a round for 30 yrs Scam
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Mark F
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And you won't, because it is a scam.
These kits claim that it is the hydrogen they are producing that improves fuel economy. But it's not the hydrogen that they are making, it's all the changes to the A/F or MAP sensors that go along with these kits. If I lie to my ECU and tell it that I'm running rich, it'll lean out too, then it will knock and retard timing to try to fix that. If I run any engine really lean, I'll use less gas (just ask a diesel owner).
On one of their web pages they said they drew up to about 30 amps out of the electrical system. That isn't much hydrogen... quick math:
1 Amp = 1 Coulomb / second
1 Coulomb = 6.241e18 electrons
30 Amps = 1.872e20 electrons/second
The chemistry requires 2 electrons per molecule of hydrogen produced. (H2 is the molecular form of hydrogen)
1.872e20 electrons/second / 2 e- per H2 = 9.362e19 molecules of hydrogen/second
1 mole = 6.022e23 molecules
9.362e19 molecules hydrogen / second / 6.022e23 = 1.55e-4 moles/second of hydrogen.
1 mole hydrogen = 2 grams therefore
30 Amps of current could at most produce 0.0003 (3e-4) grams per second of hydrogen, or 1.119 grams per hour. That is if the electrolysis cell is 100% efficient, which it will not be.
For a gasoline flow rate, assume 30 mpg @ 60 mph, just random numbers that are approximately good for a modern car.
60 mph / 30 mpg = 2 gallons per hour
Gasoline is about 6 lb/gallon or 2,724 grams / gallon
That makes the gasoline flow about 5,448 grams per hour. That makes the combined fuel flow:
Hydrogen: 1.119 / 5449.119 = 0.021% by mass
Gasoline: 99.979% by mass
I highly doubt that 0.021% hydrogen is going to make a measurable difference in the combustion in the engine. I'd be willing to bet that measurement bias (people driving more efficiently now they they are paying attention) and the effects of ECU/O2 Sensor/MAP sensor fudging is all the difference these people are seeing. If you trick the engine into running lean (less gas, more air) of course it will burn less gas. But in the long term it can also do serious engine damage.
That probably explains why these kits are not used by vehicle manufacturers.
These kits claim that it is the hydrogen they are producing that improves fuel economy. But it's not the hydrogen that they are making, it's all the changes to the A/F or MAP sensors that go along with these kits. If I lie to my ECU and tell it that I'm running rich, it'll lean out too, then it will knock and retard timing to try to fix that. If I run any engine really lean, I'll use less gas (just ask a diesel owner).
On one of their web pages they said they drew up to about 30 amps out of the electrical system. That isn't much hydrogen... quick math:
1 Amp = 1 Coulomb / second
1 Coulomb = 6.241e18 electrons
30 Amps = 1.872e20 electrons/second
The chemistry requires 2 electrons per molecule of hydrogen produced. (H2 is the molecular form of hydrogen)
1.872e20 electrons/second / 2 e- per H2 = 9.362e19 molecules of hydrogen/second
1 mole = 6.022e23 molecules
9.362e19 molecules hydrogen / second / 6.022e23 = 1.55e-4 moles/second of hydrogen.
1 mole hydrogen = 2 grams therefore
30 Amps of current could at most produce 0.0003 (3e-4) grams per second of hydrogen, or 1.119 grams per hour. That is if the electrolysis cell is 100% efficient, which it will not be.
For a gasoline flow rate, assume 30 mpg @ 60 mph, just random numbers that are approximately good for a modern car.
60 mph / 30 mpg = 2 gallons per hour
Gasoline is about 6 lb/gallon or 2,724 grams / gallon
That makes the gasoline flow about 5,448 grams per hour. That makes the combined fuel flow:
Hydrogen: 1.119 / 5449.119 = 0.021% by mass
Gasoline: 99.979% by mass
I highly doubt that 0.021% hydrogen is going to make a measurable difference in the combustion in the engine. I'd be willing to bet that measurement bias (people driving more efficiently now they they are paying attention) and the effects of ECU/O2 Sensor/MAP sensor fudging is all the difference these people are seeing. If you trick the engine into running lean (less gas, more air) of course it will burn less gas. But in the long term it can also do serious engine damage.
That probably explains why these kits are not used by vehicle manufacturers.
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mellowg7
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Rofl, poor guy