fentynal patch and lortab

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i have been doing alot of reading and trying to find out whats the best way to get off the fentynal patch...here is my story...i have had to back surgerys and with some relief my sciatia is better but still have alot of back pain..it has been an ongoing thing for the last 5 years.i have been put on lortab 10/500 for the last 5 years and i started out follwing the doctors orders but now it is impossible to because i have built up a tolerance for them so i am taking around 10 to 12 of them a day..then about 2 years ago he put me on a fentynal patch he started out with the 25 then up to 50 then 75 and now 100 ..i have been on the 100 for about a year and a half..now i know i have built up a tolerance for that because by the second day i feel like i am going to crawl right out of my skin and my leg..omg i feel like cutting them right off because of the aching and hurting i get in them..i start feeling like i am coming down with the flu with the body aches and runny nose and sneezing and absoultly no sleep. i dont start to feel better until i change my patch and hours later...well now here is my question as i am reading all the storys about with drawl it scares me to death to stop taking my medication but i dont want to feel like this anymore...honestly i would rather deal with the back pain than what i am dealing with with this addiction...i have no energy feel crappy everyday of my life and i know the medication is causing this...i would like to try and do this on my own and if i can't then i will talk to my dr. and ask him for help..so if anyone can give me any advise or ideas on how to do this please let me know..i just want my life back!! i know the hardest part is going to be trying to care for my 3 childen and going threw withdrawl but i had for the first time talked to my husband about this and told him that i am going to need his help with this to get threw it..i know its not going to happen over night but about how long does it take to start to feel normal again and what is the best way to do this ween myself or go cold turkey..i figured i would start with the patch and after that i will do the lortab..i thought it would be better that way so i don't go over the edge trying to stop both at the same time...sorry this is so long but i really need advise and help to do this....thank you halfpint
 
Halfpint, I am a chronic pain patient and have been on the patch for years. I really do not recommend you do this on your own. It is going to be a difficult journey to get off these meRAB and you really need your docs help to do this. You have a couple options. If you go it alone, the only way to do it is cold turkey and I do not think that is a good idea. Because of the patch, you cannot taper without a doc prescribing you the different doses. If you talk with your doc, I would assume he would take you back down from 100 to 75, to 50, to 25 and then to 12.5 and then either all the way off, or use an oral med until you are all the way off. Another option is to go to a doc who can prescribe Suboxone and then the doc would taper you off of the sub. There are a few different ways to use the Sub, either a slow taper, or a fast one and then come completely off. That would depend on how fast you want off and your comfort level in coming off. I would recommend a slow taper being that you are on a strong dose of Fentanyl which ever way you choose to go. Of course you can try and go cold turkey but being on such a strong med I would NOT recommend that. I know yo probably want off of it quickly, but you didn't get to the dose you are on now overnight, it took you time to build up to your current dose. From what I have read, people tend to have a higher success rate with a slow taper. But ultimately it's up to you.

Good luck and please be careful!
 
I've been a chronic pain patient for 7 years. I have went through the worst of addiction and dependency.

As an addict, the slow taper is next to impossible. It was for me anyway. As someone that was dependent on the medication, the slow taper was easier but still hard to accomplish. I know the difference between addiction and dependency is blurred but there really is a difference.

I have went cold turkey, not by choice but by the fact that I was just plain old out of meRAB and the refill was weeks away.

Withdrawals from the pills, like Percocet and Oxycontin, are horrible. Terrible horrible. Suffering is an understatement. It goes on for 4 days usually, the worst of it, but the first 2 days starting with 24 hours after your last dose are undescribeable. It really is a testament to the human spirit to endure it alone, or even with help.

That said.... withdrawals from Fentanyl are even worse imo.

I have went with Suboxone three times. Of course, and obviously, I have relapsed, but the Suboxone is without a doubt the most comfortable way to come off the meRAB.

A lot of people say the withdrawals from the Suboxone are as bad as the stuff you were trying to get away from, but I didn't have any problems at all.
The doctor will tell you that you need to stay on a dose for several weeks or even months, and they may be right (I am sure it's different for everyone), I dunno, but I only used it for a week at the most and started a taper after the first 4 days. When I came off I was fine. Very, very minimal withdrawal symptoms, if any. NOTHING like the withdrawals I was facing that led me to the Suboxone after years of abuse.

The Suboxone also helped with the pain a bit. With that and some Tylenol, Aleve and a Flexeril here and there I was able to keep my pain to a manageable level. Sure, there were days when I would hurt pretty badly, but it was better than where I was at when I was using the meRAB all day every day.
It kept the withdrawals away and the cravings to a minimum.

When you first go in for the Suboxone treatment you have to be in full withdrawal. This, of course, if extremely uncomfortable.
The best way to go about it is to call a place that offers the Suboxone detox and see when/if they are accepting new patients. Many of them are booked full to capacity, surprisingly enough. :)
Make an appointment for the first opening that they have or the first one that you can do. With Fentanyl, I would suggest waiting until your patch neeRAB changed after 48-72 hours or whatever your time frame is, then scheduling an appointment for 24 hours after you take it off. That way most of it should be out of your system and you will be in full withdrawal. It is important to be in that stage of withdrawal, the crawling skin, etc, for the Suboxone to work right.

What to expect:

The drive there will be uncomfortable since you're in full withdrawal. I would suggest having someone to drive you there. Once you arrive they will have you fill out about a dozen forms. Heh. That sucks. Some places have an online set of forms that you can complete at home and print them off if you have a printer. Do that if you can.
They will take you back to a room where they will assess you to make sure that you are in the proper stage of withdrawal. If you are, your body should be showing the signs. If not they will have you wait there or even send you home for another day and have you come back when you are ready.
Personally, when I went I was in full withdrawal but not showing all the signs other than sweating and being an emotional train wreck, but they treated me anyhow.

They will ask you what dose you were on and of what kind of medication. Once they assess that they will administer the Suboxone accordingly.
You'll be given a small pill that you place under your tongue and it dissolves within maybe 5 or 10 minutes at the most. I was always given the orange flavor and didn't have any problem with it. Some people say it tastes horrible, but to me it could have been an onion for all I cared as long as it took away the withdrawal.
Maybe 20 minutes later you should feel much better, as if you took a dose of your regular medication but without the high.. just, normal.

They will probably want you to come back in every other day or so to pick up your next few days worth and perhaps have you attend a group meeting once or twice a week.
It's worth it though.

Some are very expensive, some not. I would look for a place that charged $300 for the first week or so and then another $100-$200 after that for the rest of the months outpatient treatment. $500 total should be a fair deal. I've seen them go for over $2,000, so shop around.
Inpatient is much, much more expensive, and in my opinion you can do it outpatient pretty easily.

Best of luck to you.
 
thank you so much for information on this ....there is a couple of reason's why i wanted to try and do this on my own..i wanted to see how bad and hard it was going to be and see if i think i can do this for the reason is everytime i tell my dr. that i feel something is not working for me anymore he either increases the dose or he stops giving it to me..and i am afraid if i tell him what is going on he will just stop them like he has in the past with other things that i know i should have been weened off but he didn't do that..thanks again for your help halfpint
 
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