Education is free, security is free, why not medicine?

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Frederic

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I don't get why is the problem to pay a few more taxes to have a health care for all. I mean everyone agree decent education, security and health are the base of a modern Society. Most of us agree about free education: public school provided for free to everyone, thanks to everyone tax money, even the tax money of people having no kids, even the tax money of parents sending kids to expensive private schools. More you get, more you pay taxes and thanks to that, everyone gets free education. And if you don't like you next door public school, so, you are free to pay for the school you want. Same for the police: you want private protection? So, you can hire body gards... but your tax monney will pay for the help provided for free to this homeless lady...
So, what is the big deal with paying just a little bit more and having the choice between a doctor payed by the tax monney and an other doctor, graduate from the very same university, but not in the system? You know, in Europe, we have very good doctors, very good hospitals, very good medecine... the only thing is, thanks to the tax monney, it cost almost nothing. And we are proud to be in a place where rich and poor people have access to the best hospitals, to the best doctors and to the best medecine, without having to wait hours at the "emergencies"
 
Education is not free, it's paid for with taxes. Taxes that have cost numerous elderly and lower class families to lose their houses. And that for substandard "free" education.

Security is not free, it's paid for with taxes. And blood.

Health care will not be free, it will be paid for with a massive increase in taxes.

Robert A. Heinlein said it best, there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
 
Medicine is the only major source of Income for the Government rather the income from the Taxpayers, hence they hesitate for free medicine,

If you are interested just check out the Manufacturing cost of a Medicine or a drug and the rate @ which we Public are getting, then u will be surprised & u will try to know the face behind it.....
 
OK, ideally it should be, but the USA is a little different from Europe. If you want to compare the two you'd have to have each European country open up its medical system to let's say a poor African country and treat those people too. European countries are for the most part like "gated communities" where everyone already has had a head start. America is more like the open world, where we have millions of people who just barely get by, and Americans often don't care about the "masses" because life is already a struggle just to pay the bills. And many of the poorest have the most kids. Another issue is that there are companies that make big profits in medicine here the way things are, so they don't want changes, and they have powerful ties with many legislators.
I'm not arguing to justify our system, I'm just saying 2 reasons why we have been slow to make any changes. If you could see the anger that is fomenting with the idea of having a cheaper government option for people who now have no insurance, it seems like many people would start a civil war just to prevent some of the poor masses from getting help at taxpayer expense. So instead of just putting them to sleep we let them suffer to death and expect them to get up and help themselves. Not a pretty picture, but open your borders to 5 million Ethiopians, for example, and see how long your system will be able to care for everybody.
 
I agree with everything you have said. America is one of the last developed countries that do not offer a type of national health care. I, myself can not figure it out.
(scratches head)
Belle
 
I agree.

My "Hybrid Economic System" is the next logical choice.
You start with a socialist base: everyone gets food, clothing, shelter, education & health care.

THEN, you put your CAPITALIST economy on top of that: if anyone wants more, they get off their butts and EARN it!

The 2 systems working together reduce the effects of each other’s negatives.
There is no stagnation under socialism, because capitalism is there to provide incentive.
And, the constant level of activity under the socialist base lessens the adverse affects of inflation & recession that occur under capitalism.


Example: Mr. X lives in a barracks style facility. He lives in one large room with 80-100 others. He has a locker and half a bunk bed. He has a roof over his head, but he wants more.
He wants his own place. He gets counseling for his mental problem, He gets educated in something he enjoys doing, gets a job doing it, and gets a 1-bedroom apartment. He is on his way up.

[CONSERVATIVES: YOU should love this, it turns tax burdens into taxpayers!]

Note: I started with 2 premises:
There must be incentive and
Capitalism fluctuates too much & can be cruel.

Then, I used logic, compassion, a pinch of electronics & Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs to create a new system.
 
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