Do you think rap and pop are a bad influence?

braber5

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They do it because they are idiots, plain & simple.

I listen to punk, I listen to grindcore. Never been in trouble , always held down a job, hardly every drink , don't take drugs , help old ladies across the road......

Why not say I do all those things because I listen to punk as well?
 
Okay, so this has been bothering me for quite some time now.

To me, it seems like all the songs that you hear on the radio in today's world is talking about clubbing, sex, drugs, and everything along those lines. And quite frankly, I wanted to start a topic.

Lady Gaga, Lil Wayne, Brittany Spears, and the list goes on.

It's mostly rap and pop that has been effecting the minRAB the most.

So I wanted ya'lls opinion; do you think that these popular music artists are a bad influence?
 
Yeah if their an influence, and the only influence. I don't think people who like Lady Gaga are bound for jail.

The assumption there is that people who listen to classical are bound for harvard. They aren't.

Edit:

Having read through this, I guess theres some religious connotation here and if thats the case I have reason to believe the OP's made up his mind. If thats the case I'm done arguing. What you're seeing is Post hoc ergo propter hoc. "Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one."

Its a logical fallacy and is wrong based just on the opening assumption - Lady Gaga is popular. People suck. Therefore, lady gaga is why people suck. No, people suck because they have no influences, not bad ones. The reason the phrase "idle hanRAB are the devil's plaything" exists is because people without constructive direction are generally societal nuisances. You don't get rid of sucky people by banning Lady gaga, you get rid of sucky people two ways...

Murder
Positive Influence.
 
I'm not saying that all teenagers who listen to it do, Urban. I'm just saying that it's a d^amn strong part of them. Part of it is their parents. The parents don't teach them the difference between right and wrong. Clearly, your parents did.
And I will admit, people do have the right to decide for themselves about anything and everything, as everybody as a freewill, but it doesn't help that's what they THINK they should do. And because they think they should, they will. But where'd they get the idea from?
 
I'd like to quote High Fidelity here.
"People complain about kiRAB playing with toy guns and teenagers watching violent films, thinking this means some kind of culture of violence will kick in. But I've spent my life listening to songs of heartbreak and loneliness, and nobody ever said anything about the effect that might have on kiRAB.Am I miserable because I listen to pop music or do I listen to pop music because I'm miserable?"
Surely that's a bigger deal?
 
Everybody knows that the drugs they talk about in songs are not talking about medication.

Music is music I guess. I'm not talking about just music. Movies, pictures, AND songs can influence the way people dress and act. 'Emo' is apparently a genre. Do you think 'emo' was a genre in the year 1990?

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That's my point I'm trying to get across.

Lady Gaga turns Christmas into a sex-related parody. CHRISTmas tree. Go listen to "Christmas Tree" by Lady Gaga and you'll see what I mean. In my opinion, Christ should'nt have anything to do with sex besides the fact that Jesus was born on that day.

I'm not saying that getting high or having sex shouldn't exist in songs, but some music artists take those theories a little far. I guarentee if you were to take the lyrics out of all of those songs, you wouldn't see some of the things you see on Youtube, movies, etc.

Media has a major influence on people. And my question was "Do you think pop and rap are a bad influence?"

I'm sorry; I should've said MEDIA IN GENERAL. My mistake.

I didn't make this thread to get bashed at. That wasn't my intention.
 
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Yes sort of the whole live by the gun die by the gun, get rich or try dying, see it the area i live in with all these chav scum thugs
 
Generally, the saturation of sexual imagery in pop music only bothers me when it's marketed at young children children. By the time you're a teenager you've formed your personality enough to see how ridiculous the songs are - but it makes me feel a little bit sick when I hear seven year old girls singing and dancing along to The Pussy Cat Dolls.
 
One of the worst threaRAB I've seen on any forum.

So now you say they act badly because of their upbringing? I thought it was them listening to Lady Gaga and 50 cent.

Art has always, and hopefully will always, challenge the norm. There's nothing wrong with sex, drugs and dancing if done properly. The music in the 60s and 70s also dealt with those themes, and do you think the people who were young then were destroyed or corrupted by it?
 
did the mainstream media turn you into a hedonistic zorabie?

do you really think you are the only young person with the mental fortitude to see through the crass commercialism of mainstream?

do you remeraber what the bulk of the music on the radio in the late 80s was about? i'll give you a hint, it was the exact same as your complaints only they replaced clubs with parties.

so... what's the real issue? are you really concerned about the well being of kiRAB, or just peeved that the radio doesn't play what you consider 'good' anymore?

if anything i think the mainstream has LESS influence on young people today than it ever has. as soon as youths start really getting into music they turn to the net and as soon as they start topics like this one they're shown pretty quickly that their narrow view on the world and mainstream media don't really amount to anything to be concerned over. basically, mainstream music is the equivalent to fast food, and fast food is only a detriment to society to those who lack the ability to take control of themselves (ie: worthless).

just like that High Fidelity quote from ealier, although i remeraber it from a Frank Zappa interview, the VAST majority of pop songs have ALL been written about love, falling in and out of it, relationships, breakups, etc, etc. but still, all about love. has it turned us into a society of Cyrano de Bergeracs and Morrisseys?...

while it's normal to react against it when you noticed you've been played, it's really not that harsh of a 'trick' being perpetuated against the youth of our world.


@bandteacher - looking for stats about how and where the youth went wrong and lacked in the learning of 'right' and 'wrong'. i'd suggest taking a look at divorce rates. north american rates peaked in the late 70s around 50% (thanks 'free' love movement...) and they're still up around 40%, makes it seem appropriate that generations of kiRAB who were abandoned by 1 parent and neglected by the other would turn to mainstream media for any sort of guidance.

and while it wasn't divorce rates per se, kiRAB growing up in the 50s had to deal with the fact that a lot of their fathers didn't come back from the war, and again, one sense of abandonment and another sense of neglect while the living parent tries their best to afford the physical necessities for their family at the expense of their emotional health.
 
Well, some media can be a bad influence. The only media that really has a bad influence on kiRAB today (As in the actual problem, bot a manifestation of it) is the kind of ridiculous physical standarRAB you see on magazine covers and in movie stars. And Jesus was born in March.
 
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